“President Biden has instructed his agencies to ignore federal statutes that mandate the detention of illegal immigrants. The failure of the Biden Administration to fulfill the duties imposed by Article IV, § 4 has triggered Article I, § 10, Clause 3, which reserves to this State the right of self-defense. For these reasons, I have already declared an invasion under Article I, § 10, Clause 3 to invoke Texas’s constitutional authority to defend and protect itself. That authority is the supreme law of the land and supersedes any federal statutes to the contrary.”
Let’s call this what it is.
A declaration of open insurrection.
It’s okay though, Biden will deliver a sternly worded speech just as soon as he wakes up.
It’d be easier to drown Texas. They want to secede? No more trading with states. Need a treaty with the US. They could be made into Cuba. No one would buy their oil if it meant losing access to trading with the US.
Then make the borders one way: allow immigration from Texas but deny travel there for US citizens. It would bleed people as everyone fled.
Texas wouldn’t last a year.
Sanctions would also allow the US to take away all the Texan politicians’ money stored in US bank accounts. That alone would make them trip over each other to get back in.
When you had it, you didn’t want it. Now you ain’t got it, you want it back.
I doubt there would be any companies that own the refineries that would stay in TX at the risk of losing all the business they do in the rest of the US. TX would be a dystopian nightmare to live in if they did leave the US. No national company is going to stay, all the military bases and defense industry would be gone, no products will be delivered from other states for as long as it would take to figure out passports and immigration back into the US, the airports would no longer have FAA oversight, and a million of other small things that get taken for granted in everyday life would be gone. Companies that are US based have a responsibility to work in their shareholders interest and I can’t see any rational shareholders wanting to leave the entire US market for the shithole TX market.
Edit: I replied to the wrong comment but it kind of fits so I’ll leave it.
You don’t need to drown Texas; there are a dozen military bases ready to crush any insurrection just in that state. If Greg tries anything the Texas National Guard will rapidly become an ex-organization.
Wouldn’t it be better if Texas tried to leave? I mean, I’m fine with it. They’ve got their own power grid, remember? They don’t need US, or, ya know… FEMA money.
not really. Texas has a relatively huge economy that we kind of depend on. As well as one of the major ports coming off the Atlantic (port of houstin)
Also this would absolutely fuck over all the not-assholes that live down there. Not, that, uh, I wouldn’t love to see that happen.
“We’ll just take our shit and go. and oh yeah, here’s the bill for the aid from the last decade we sent you. And, uh, also, here’s all the sanctions we’re slapping on because you’re a human right’s disaster. Cya!”
it would be worse, but, uhm… fuck me, I just want Biden to do something other than give stern words of warning.
I live within the aforementioned third coast and I really really need someone to salt the fucking earth for this piss-baby’s name. I don’t know how to clean house anymore, but someone in the goddamn federal government needs to take all these criminals running Texas seriously.
It doesn’t work like that. Source: The Tenth Amendment.
In other words, it’ll trigger a constitutional crisis like you couldn’t imagine and pretty much end the United States overnight if the federal government violated the tenth amendment and asserted itself by overthrowing the elected leader of a state. It simply wouldn’t be legal for the federal government to do something like that.
If you ever do decide to move out and find yourself in the Twin Cities… I happen to know the area well. wouldn’t mind showing you around. Until then… stay safe.
And remember, Vinegar can neutralize piss stains and odor. just saying.
Texas has a relatively huge economy that we kind of depend on
They’re physically located in Texas yes, but Texas doesn’t own them, they’re privately owned or owned by a foreign nation. Like the largest oil refinery in Texas isn’t even US, it’s owned by the Government of Saudi Arabia. Texas isn’t claiming ownership of that.
In fact a lot of Texas’ economy relies on access to the US dollar, of which they would absolutely lose access to if there was even the hint of leaving. One of the things that really boiled over in the US Civil War was that the United States indicated to its trading partners of the time, that they could not do deals with the rebel states. The South was quickly going broke. It would literally be the exact same thing in present day, Texas wouldn’t have an economy because the one thing that keeps that economy running is something they would absolutely lose. Access to every trading partner on the planet.
At best they might be able to do bilateral trade with not friendly to the US, but they wouldn’t be able to ship it out. The Gulf of Mexico is firmly the United States and Texas distinctly has no navy even closely matching the United States. They can’t go south because “of obvious reasons”, and they wouldn’t be allowed in any airspace and likely the FAA would ban every single flight in and out of the State.
But remove the fact that they would have to take State ownership of private business and somehow sneak large quantities of it out of their State. The other country they’re trading with knows Texas is trading at a disadvantage. There’s no way they’re asking fair market value for shit. There’s no way those dollars sustain their economy. Losing access to the US dollar would absolutely wreck Texas’ economy and that’s the exact point, because when enough Texans are hungry and their economy has turned to dust, the citizens will likely have a heart-to-heart with their Governor about this whole “leaving” businesses.
Also this would absolutely fuck over all the not-assholes that live down there
Ah yeah, it will. I live in Tennessee and know full well that should our State decide to “leave” that basically I’m dead. Between the likely intolerance to people sticking to the middle ground and an almost certain conscription, the not-assholes would likely be the first among the dead. I mean, that’s just how civil conflict works anywhere. It sucks and is also a pretty good reason that taking the middle ground is not always ideal.
I just want Biden to do something other than give stern words of warning
Well the thing to remember is that we’re supposed to be a country of law and order. We’re supposed to settle things inside a court room. And ideally, that’s where Biden should go. Abbott’s reasoning is completely unsound legally and relies on a reading of Art. I, § 10, C. 3 that’s only enjoyed by Scalia.
I get the temptation to hand out smack down, but we should stick to order at all times. Even with the Civil War before, the US waited until the Confederates struck first. All the cards are in the US government’s favor. All the economic factors are in the US favor. There’s not a whole lot that Texas has over the United States on this matter. There’s no reason for the US to even remotely push on the matter while Abbott is clearly content with digging his own grave here.
In fact a lot of Texas' economy relies on access to the US dollar, of which they would absolutely lose access to if there was even the hint of leaving.So that’s not how it works. The USD is the official currency in more than just the USA, just like the Euro is an official currency in countries outside of Europe. If it’s the currency people trade in then it makes its way inside the territory, no country can prevent their money from being used elsewhere.
They’re physically located in Texas yes, but Texas doesn’t own them, they’re privately owned or owned by a foreign nation. Like the largest oil refinery in Texas isn’t even US, it’s owned by the Government of Saudi Arabia. Texas isn’t claiming ownership of that.
Economic production is still important. We might not loose all of the production, but things like oil refineries can’t be moved out of state. Whatever happens between the Saudis and the new Texas government… that’s their business. As is whatever happens with literally anyone else potentially stuck there. The state of texas currently ranks second for contribution to the US GDP. Companies might choose to stay, might not be able to leave. Some might happily run away to some other state. and yes, the oil refineries are a large part of that contribution.
In fact a lot of Texas’ economy relies on access to the US dollar, of which they would absolutely lose access to if there was even the hint of leaving. One of the things that really boiled over in the US Civil War was that the United States indicated to its trading partners of the time, that they could not do deals with the rebel states. The South was quickly going broke. It would literally be the exact same thing in present day, Texas wouldn’t have an economy because the one thing that keeps that economy running is something they would absolutely lose. Access to every trading partner on the planet.
I agree. it would be absolutely stupid and suicidal to leave the Union. Have you heard Abott speak? Even in this release itself… he’s citing a dissenting opinion by a single USCOTUS… as if it were constitutional fact. I don’t think he’s thought quite that far ahead. Or, for example, where their food would come from. (a lot comes from Mexico… and somehow, I don’t think Mexico would feel inclined to be trading partners…)
At best they might be able to do bilateral trade with not friendly to the US, but they wouldn’t be able to ship it out. The Gulf of Mexico is firmly the United States and Texas distinctly has no navy even closely matching the United States. They can’t go south because “of obvious reasons”, and they wouldn’t be allowed in any airspace and likely the FAA would ban every single flight in and out of the State.
Innocent passage must be allowed- they can’t take stuff on, or dump waste or do anything “prejudicial to peace” but cargo ships passing from a hypothetical Texan state would be able to leave. Currently, the exclusive economic zone for the US extends more or less directly eastward from the texas border with mexico. Likely, that would have to change, extending from the Texas-Louisiana border. They could then presumably cut south-wards and pass between Cuba and mexico and avoid USCG interference altogether.
But remove the fact that they would have to take State ownership of private business and somehow sneak large quantities of it out of their State. The other country they’re trading with knows Texas is trading at a disadvantage. There’s no way they’re asking fair market value for shit. There’s no way those dollars sustain their economy. Losing access to the US dollar would absolutely wreck Texas’ economy and that’s the exact point, because when enough Texans are hungry and their economy has turned to dust, the citizens will likely have a heart-to-heart with their Governor about this whole “leaving” businesses.
To the first part… what makes you think they don’t want to do that? regardless, they don’t necessarily have to do that. Its not like they won’t allow private companies at all- after all, the new texan oligarchs, and as you say, the Saudis will have something to say about it.
Well the thing to remember is that we’re supposed to be a country of law and order. We’re supposed to settle things inside a court room. And ideally, that’s where Biden should go. Abbott’s reasoning is completely unsound legally and relies on a reading of Art. I, § 10, C. 3 that’s only enjoyed by Scalia.
this would be more than a sternly worded speech, yes. Biden is unlikely to do that, though.
I get the temptation to hand out smack down, but we should stick to order at all times. Even with the Civil War before, the US waited until the Confederates struck first. All the cards are in the US government’s favor. All the economic factors are in the US favor. There’s not a whole lot that Texas has over the United States on this matter. There’s no reason for the US to even remotely push on the matter while Abbott is clearly content with digging his own grave here.
completely agree. Things I think might be prudent:
- nationalizing the Texas national guard and ordering them to barracks. or indeed to provide protective and support services to BP agents, etc. this removes them from Abbott’s control and places (probably dubious) fighting force on their soil. I don’t know that we can rely on them for anything critical… but… they should be good for at least just sitting this one out.
- Starting hearings in the senate to remove Abbott under the 14th amendment. we all know what section three says: insurrectionists are forbidden from serving. Section five says the power to make that decision “lies with congress”…ambiguous, but outside of confederate peeps and a jan 6 guy, the only person the 14th was invoked to remove- Victor Berger- Was a representative from WI… and was removed after a full vote of the House. an argument could be made that a vote from the senate is sufficient to the cause. -ask the courts to weigh in and forcing compliance. But the courts have already weighed in… if they continue to refuse; an appropriate escalation of force is not simply lawful, but I submit necessary. Biden is going to pander and try to play bipartisan deal-maker while watering down his own power to avoid an outright conflict. This has been the centrist-DNC strategy for decades and is precisely why Abbott thinks he can get away with it. -Cease all federal aid to Texas until they return to compliance. -Do something about Abbott’s sending immigrants to other cities/states.
as a side note, this is a problem of GOP’s making. They’ve been frozen on immigration for ages. It needs funding and reform; they need to expedite asylum claims, maybe even allow asylum seekers to get work permits so they can be self sufficient while waiting for the final claim. (and, you know, not working for a pittance from exploitive assholes.)
Don’t forget a ton of oil refineries.
I’d be okay with those closing, honestly.
We don’t need Texas. But you are right about the not-assholes.
By dollar value, they ranked 2 in state GDP. Second to CA.
I’m not sure that we couldn’t get by without them… but it would be felt.
Worth it.
The sternest word “malarkey”
That or “crap”
Biden will deliver sternly worded speech
If even that…
Did this sad blob of cells just say that illegal immigration is an invasion? Did he just quote a dissenting opinion as a basis?
What the actual fuck. This sounds like something Orbán would do. Oh wait, they like the sound of that…
Yeah, he’s using a reading of Art. I, § 10, C. 3 that only Scalia has ascribed to. There’s literally nothing in this statement that he released that has any kind of sound legal footing.
Even more interesting, Arizona v. United States literally said that the Federal Government and more specifically, Congress has an undeniable and broad right to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization. Literally the case Abbott is stating and using as justification says the exact opposite of what he is saying in his determination. I mean literally it establishes that the US CANNOT have 50 different immigration standards.
So I guess Abbott is looking for more litigation to blow his state’s money on?
It’s also legal to cross the border and claim asylum, so not even illegal immigration.
Ok. Swede here. What the f… did I just read? This was on a .gov site…
Can someone give me an ELI5 and a background?
It’s an “announcement” or press release full of crazy.
Basically Govenor Abott (state govenor of Texas) just declared the migrant crisis with asylum seekers coming up from Mexico an invasion, accused Biden and the rest of the federal government of not responding to the invasion and therefore violating the US constitution.
From there, because they broke the “contract”… he’s saying Texas law now supersedes US law and therefore he’s calling up reservist forces to … well I guess we’ll see what they do.
It’s more political rhetoric and fearmongering about immigrants from the GOP… but the crazy thing is taken at face value… he just declared insurrection against the US
Some extra background, Texas law enforcement types were blocking us border patrol agents from doing there job (and saving migrants)
Sorry this probably isn’t helpful but, it’s not just a .gov site, it’s a gov.texas.gov site.
Like thanks I didn’t know it was a government site thanks for that second one at the beginning.
background: Texas mad because, to quote south park, the immigrants “took muh jobs”. This is nothing new, and they regularly invent immigrants whenever they need to rouse the racist rabble. Texas also very much likes to be flaunt they can “technically secede” from the US because some old dead white dude wrote something down that can technically be interpreted as such for their states rights or whatever.
They’re just more emboldened now because Trump gave all the racists/fascists the green light to crawl out of the woodwork.
Also there has been a lot of far right leaning people moving to Texas since before covid (just around the start it became “popular”) to escape the “commie/fascist” states who were forcing them to wear masks… so there is that. There are whole Facebook groups dedicated to helping people to “escape” 🤠
On a tangentially related note, you ever find it odd how illegal immigrants simultaneously take everyone’s jobs and are lazy sacks of shit benefitting off welfare?
I’ve seen a lot of regressives happily tout similar retoric back to back and it just astounds me at the mental gymnastics.
The last time this happened, the national guard was sent in by the president to help Ruby Bridges go to school.
Supremacy clause is going to bite hard.
Listen, I get that the migration is a problem, and city and state budgets cannot meet the needs of all these people, but calling those poor folks invaders is just plain silly. Most of these people are fleeing poverty, organized crime, and or failing states.
Then they pretend to not see the predatory employers using and relying on undocumented labor to exploit. Honestly going after those profiting would be far more effective and humane, but clearly not the point for them.
To a racist, there’s no good colored man. The governor is appealing to the racists that make up a good chunk of his base.
We begin bombing Texas in five minutes.
Hey what did I do? I just live here, because my parents lived here. I don’t support Abbott or any of the other crooks in this state either. Looking at you Ken Paxton you pervert.
I am old enough to get your joke, and it’s perfect.
Honestly, I wish Congress would draft up a resolution reminding Texas what they’d lose and need to negotiate for if they left the US, including demanding a plan to how they are going to handle the loss of US citizenship for their citizens and to destroy all passports.
The people concerned usually keep their citizenship as they were technically born in that country.
Quick question, since this is really fucking important, what the fuck
is he invading?Edit: I’m high, so I read this declaration incorrectly. Editing so existing comments still make sense while capturing my current feelings about this
he’s saying the asylum seekers/ immigrants coming up through mexico are “invaders”. It’s racist rhetoric meant to scare people into complacency and drum up fear of the other because that’s really the only thing he knows how to do.
he’s been huffing the guanno if he thinks migrants seeking asylum constitutes and invasion. it’s made him bat-shit crazy.
I just read the memo and can’t find where you read it states that Texas plans to invade anywhere.
Forgive me, I’m stoned. I read “declared an invasion” as a declaration of intent to invade something
Homes of people whom other people say are thinking about getting an abortion when they eventually get raped.
Wow that is batshit crazy
Holy hell that’s an escalation
Lmao please send the national guard to go arrest him god that would be fun to watch
Dang, the USA might actually fall apart.
Meanwhile, in reality, Border Patrol is prevented from detaining migrants not by any order from Biden but by the fucking Texas National guard and state troopers!
when cannabis became a state by state issue and then healthcare such as abortion states took the hint and ran like hell with it
why is anyone surprised the states think their say can overtake federal?
biden, trump, and all the other presidents have either supported state’s rights or did nothing to stop states
why would federal be applied in texas but not elsewhere?
there are not raids in every medicinal and or recreational state or in abortion clinics in certain states
why is this different than the other cases where federal is ignored?
seriously asking because at this point nothing makes sense
keep hearing state’s right is just a propaganda issue but really confused
okay for some states to play state’s rights but not others
US is making that mockumentary from 2006 more real by the day
