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    But we have to keep them as a close ally no matter what, right? There is no low Saudi Arabia can’t sink to.

    Similar to Israel.

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    Quick let’s buy more oil from them.

    Fuck it pisses me off. The oil embargoes in the 70s were the pants on fire moments we should have put an ungodly amount of R&D into nuclear, fusion, solar, wind, and batteries. And built Metro lines.

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      Jimmy Carter tried to convince America to move to renewables, but was stymied by the Iran Crisis. Carter put solar panels on the White House, and Reagan removed them. Reagan’s Veep was Texas oilman George HW Bush, who’d called Reagan’s tax cuts for the wealthy nonsense before being asked to join the ticket.

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      I love how in the alternate history of For All Mankind the world basically ditched fossil fuels in the seventies and went nuclear.

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      If the US can choose who rules North Korea, sell trillions worth of weapons to them, buy cheap oil from them, and install as many military bases as they want on their lands, then North Korea would’ve been the US closest ally no matter how many crimes against humanity they commit against their people.

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    Dude, this shit is so outdated now it’s not even funny. We knew it was Osama. We knew he operated in a terrorist network which is pretty damn broad over in the Middle-East as that’s been their issue for quite some time even back then. Of course there’s going to be some complicity and those helping eachother because of whatever code they function under since they’re a terrorist network.

    Of course George Bush was a fucking idiot along with Donald Rumsfield, Dick Cheney and every other war-mongering shithead in that administration who simply wanted to go to Iraq anyways as a make-good because they derailed their primary objective. Can’t find Osama? Get rid of Saddam, why not, it’ll make for some sugarcoated sounding progress. All the while, let’s tank the fucking economy while we’re at it. Oh and get rid of some American lives who were just thrown into this makeshift war too.

    Shit, we knew there was some level of complicity with the 1993 WTC bombing attempt. Almost nobody talked of that. Big fucking clue there!

    The Middle-East is seriously corruption central, there’s barely any resemblance of dignity over there. We shouldn’t have been surprised of anything fucked up that ever happened while in there and around there.

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    Damn, if only we could have known that an attack where 90% of the hijackers were Saudi that Saudi Arabia could be involved.

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      Did you post evidence 20 years ago? Otherwise it’s not worth much more than “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams”.

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        Plenty of people were collecting and posting evidence like this in the early/mid 00s, a lot of it’s probably still searchable if you want to comb through, I don’t know, the archives of fark.com, suck. com*, plastic. com*, I dunno a hundred other dusty forgotten forums. In many ways the internet we have today is structured to hide a lot of realizations people had in those times about the changes that happened under the Bush admin. The jet fuel line is just the echoes of crank theories that got turned into a joke meant to silence that effort.

        *dead websites only available on the internet archive, the links probably go to something fucked up now so please don’t follow them

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    Why is this coming out now? Like we know… Why is this a news story, now? I am absolutely not a conspiracy theorist, but this makes me feel like one. Is something going to happen to Saudi Arabia… Are some powers at be trying to sway public opinion for some reason?

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      Is something going to happen to Saudi Arabia

      Nope.

      Why is this coming out now?

      Because it’s too late for anyone to do anything with this information. It’s the same reason why they don’t mind us knowing about the SS-level war crimes the US perpetrated in Vietnam - they know it’s far too late for the majority of people in the US to care.

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      Distraction from Israel

      Bibi is ready to sacrifice everyone and everything to stay in power. He’s done, he knows it and is airing dirty laundry in retaliation as he throws his tantrum on his way to The Hague.

      Very similar to Trump, nothing to lose. Hopefully someone does something about him quickly. Bull in a china shop

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      Just planting the seeds to manufacture consent for a future war/invasion/destructive action. I assume after Israel fully takes over Palestine, Israel won’t have as much of a need to feign friendliness or even neutrality to countries like Saudi Arabia (Egypt is likely also on the hit list). The bad actions of enemy states are always useful to bring up at a later date to build a case for their destruction. For example, China’s human rights abuses were allowed to happen for a long time with maybe a call-out here or there (planting the seeds), but the case intensified when China threatening the US’s top world economic spot became even a remote possibility.

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        No, SA and Egypt are vital to Israel’s continued existence

        You’re thinking of Syria, Iraq, and Iran

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          Syria and Iraq are the ones they’ve beaten down. Iran is one of the next ones, definitely before Saudi Arabia. Make no mistake, when the other dominoes fall, countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt are next. It’s simple divide and conquer.

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    No shit…? The only reason that Saudi Arabia isn’t a stretch of glass is because they were providing oil whilst Iraq was making moves to cut it off. Sate your bloodlust and destroy a regional inconvenience at the same time? That’s a freebie.

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    How many minutes would the Saudis remain an alli if they suddenly ran out of oil?

    Five? Ten minutes?

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      It would probably take the Houthis 5 minutes to invade the entire country if the USA dipped lol.

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    Just like Israel, this revelation won’t affect our relations with them, because the US government cares about money, not people, and to them the massive boost that defense contractors got from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were worth the lives lost.

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    The 9/11 Commission Report recounted numerous contacts between Bayoumi and Thumairy, but described only “circumstantial evidence” of Thumairy as a contact for the two hijackers and stated that it didn’t know whether Bayoumi’s first encounter with the operatives occurred “by chance or design.” But the evidence assembled in the ongoing lawsuit suggests that the actions Thumairy and Bayoumi took to support the hijackers were actually deliberate, sustained, and carefully coordinated with other Saudi officials.

    The 9/11 Commission Gee Dubby and Darth Cheney fought against for a year? That they refused to testify under oath to? That they wanted Dark Lord Henry Kissinger to chair, and appointed him to do so before a hurricane of backlash slapped a hair of shame into their faces?

    That 9/11 Commission? You say they fucked up some key evidence? No. It can’t be. They met for years. There must be a simple explanation.