Religion is for three kinds of people:
Fools
Liars
Disobedient children with fools or liars as parents
Tolerance of religion is a paradox as every religion is intolerant of other religions.
Yes Buddhism too.
Respect is earned. Trust is earned.
Religion deserves neither.
Not every religion is intolerant of other religions.
Greetings fellow lemming I’m new here and hope we can have a productive discussion.
Please allow me to elucidate my perspective on this question: are all religions intolerant?
I say yes, let me explain.
Many have told me about “their god” and I take their word for it. I believe everything everyone has told me about “their god”. Powerful, all knowing, usually vindictive, often horny for human girls, etc.
Resultantly I believe in all of “their gods”.
And I drew a conclusion about that guy.
I think “god” is a piece of shit unworthy of praise and we should seek to destroy and erase it. Those who worship it are dangerous and not to be trusted. At best they need psychiatric care, likely many of them should be incarcerated. The link between “piety” and “skeletons in the closet” is strong.
I hate god and have no respect for god-fearing people and no tolerance for their “beliefs”
Which supernatural make-believe system (read: religion ) is tolerant of my supernatural make-believe system?
Please don’t mistake my anger at religions as anger at you.
Cheers mate
I agree, fuck all religions
Many have told me about “their god” and I take their word for it.
Resultantly I believe in all of “their gods”.
I’m following so far
And I drew a conclusion about that guy.
What do you mean “that guy”. I thought we just established these are multiple guys?
I think “god” is a piece of shit unworthy of praise and we should seek to destroy and erase it.
What do you mean “it”? Don’t you mean “them”?
I hate god and have no respect for god-fearing people and no tolerance for their “beliefs”
Why are you talking about a singular God here? It reads like you’re blaming Yahweh for Zeus’ sexual behaviour and you’re blaming Hanuman for the Great Flood.
These aren’t the same character. Each “God” claim needs to be evaluated separately.
For example why do you hate Persephene so much? Why is she a piece of shit. You claim to believe in her right Your reasons shouldn’t include examples from the Bible.
Which supernatural make-believe system (read: religion ) is tolerant of my supernatural make-believe system?
You might find company among the Satanic Temple or other Satanists.
You said “Buddhism” was ruled out but you didn’t actually clarify so until you present your reasoning I’d say Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and Jainism all lacking God’s are partially compatible.
I mean to be fair there’s not going to be a great answer because this isn’t a real question but a gotcha. And I say that as an atheist.
You obviously don’t actually believe in all the gods, your earlier language shows you haven’t thought enough about what that means and force them all into the same one God.
The Hittites believed in “all the gods” and absorbed every new God of neighbors they conquered. But they truly believed in these gods, not as a gotcha question but they really believed in the power of these entities.
Regardless of personal moral views on their behavior, outwardly taunting that being seems silly in light of genuine faith.
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Religon is brain cancer.
It’s a control mechanism from some of the earliest human societies, and today it is a dangerous tool that was just left lying around for any con man to take advantage of.
I can’t find any sources for this now, but a while back I read an article that basically said in the 1500s (roughly) people were starting to turn against the rich holding the bulk of the wealth. So the rich met up with some priests over a tankard of mead and came up with the idea that the church should say the rich deserved their wealth.
The south were pissed the north judged them for slavery, so they schismed the Baptist church to the southern Baptist church, where the only difference is that slavery was a commandment from God, and black people deserved it becausw of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham?wprov=sfla1
It’s weird how many religions tell you to obey priests without question, isn’t it?
That is weird to me because Jesus repeatedly condemned the rich. He even violently kicked them out of temples by whipping them and flipping tables. Jesus even said the wealthy will never enter into heaven. Jesus was essentially a proto-communist
Former Christian here, I’m still very partial to this verse:
Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you! Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter. You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you.
Wow that’s a banger, thank you for introducing me to it.
Jesus also didn’t proclaim himself to be the literal son of God, nor a part of God. That was invented by the churches some 300 years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
Both Judaism and Christianity had their scriptures altered over time, serving political goals of the scholar’s class. This is why Islam puts such a strong focus preserving the Quran exactly as it was revealed.
Can you please expound upon that point, re: Jesus didn’t proclaim himself to be the literal son of God. Never heard that before.
Sure. So in Islam we believe that God and the creation are seperate. All Prophets (peace be upon them) are humans, who have been given prophethood for their virtuous character. Any powers outside the realm of human capacities were granted by God to aid their mission, but it wasn’t their inherent powers.
For a longer read on this from an Islamic perspective i found this article: https://www.reviewofreligions.org/27744/jesus-son-of-god-historical-context-long-read/
As for the development of the Christian idea that Jesus would be the son of God. This is a Greek/Roman idea that was pushed to dominance around the fourth century. Notable is the Council of Nicae, where it was agreed that the concept of Trinity (with Jesus as son of God and some abstract holy spirit) should be the used. As for the reason why, it is likely that the Trinity was chosen to make Christianity more palatable to Polytheists, despite the rejection of polytheism and embrace of monotheism being fundamental to the Abrahamic religions. This is also why the concept is strongly rejected by Jews and Muslims. However also Nontrinitarian Christians exist to this day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea#Outcomes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarian#HistoryThat’s an interesting take. Having been raised Christian, but now mostly agnostic, it’s a view I had not heard before. Thanks for sharing this.
I agree. I look at it this way…how many of those that claim to be Christian actually have Christian values or live by the Ten Commandments?
…how many […] actually have Christian values…
All of them, it’s how you know what “Christian values” really are (not just the cleaned-up public-facing image they use for marketing) and it turns out they’re pretty shit.
Many Christians have never read the Bible. They hear about eternal salvation so long as you dunk in some water and say you’re sorry and they’re sold. If they even consciously think about it in the first place.
Christianity is just another one of Plato’s caves
The Marquis de Condorcet wrote about the evils of Christianity back in the 1790s.
He wrote about how it was a tool of oppression, not just of the person, but of the mind and spirit.
And nothing has changed in the last 200 years.
It’s nothing new either. Kings were given divine rule before capitalism was a thing for centuries before.
Well that might explain christianity but what about other religions like Hindu, buddhism etc.
The idea of religion is different there and it’s more of a way of life rather than believing in a supreme god.
Haha, that’s certainly a curious interpretation of the crisis of the 16th century. You’re referring to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_General_Crisis
This series basically modernises a classic book on the subject that’s about 100 years old on the topic if you want to know more: https://hellonearth.chapotraphouse.com/views/podcast/
Dunno…too long ago for me to remember many details and as I said, I can’t find a source.
FWIW, those events took place in the USA though, and the article I’m referring to specifically mentioned the U.K.
The 16th Century Crisis was across Europe and that last link centers around the UK in the end in the English Civil War. It’s a whole thing that led up to it.
A yes in 16th century USA
lol. Bit of an error there on my part.
I think religion is capable of doing great things, but yeah, more often than not it seems to be a gateway to fascism and other extreme right dictatorships.
The red text of Jesus was based. It taught me that God weeps for the sparrows so we also should value and protect nature. Jesus washing the disgusting feet of people who walked around all day in sandals without socks taught me that truly great leaders use their position to serve the weak and vulnerable. Jesus warning that it was impossible for the wealthy to enter heaven and ordering us to take care of the poor just like we would take care of him if he needed it taught me empathy and helped me become a communist.
So yeah, Christian communism is based, but Christianity under capitalism becomes a tool of fascism.
There’s really nothing special about Jesus, if you accept that the voices he heard in his head were not really “the all-powerful creator” speaking to him.
What I mean is that Jesus did not say anything more remarkable or ground-breaking than say Socrates, Marx or … I don’t know Iain M Banks or any other story teller. Way less remarkable in fact.
There’s this persistent idea that Jesus was some wonderful caring hippy, and before Jesus everyone was just a callous exploitive bastard. But there’s nothing new about the share-and-share-alike philosophy Jesus espoused. It’s basic game theory and has been present in society since before our species even evolved. Even chimps grasp those ideas.
Jesus was just a poor Jewish common person who thought he was the messiah. Just like his compatriots of the time, he believed the Jews to be the “chosen people”, and his message was only directed at his compatriots. He had no more grasp of humanity as a whole than any other common person of his time. As the messiah, he believed - as did his followers - that he was going to usher in the end of the world.
It’s complete nonsense, and if you truely understand what a scam the modern church is, you would stop promoting him as some kind of revolutionary.
If your religion is somehow linked to the place you were born it’s not your religion. You are indoctrinated.
Good
Christianity is basically just a pedophile ring at this point
That’s a bit unfair to the people who are in just for the homophobia
Or trans phobia
Or the ones who hate colored people
But just look at how it brings people together (to rape the kids and hate the minorities). Surely there’s societal value in leaving them a breeding ground.
And they need your money!
Religion has nothing to do with God, even if you believed God exists, then since God is omnipresent you can have a relationship with God from anywhere. Why would you need to gather with a group of people and have middle men priest who claim to speak on behalf of God. Religions are about power, control, elitism and us vs them tribalism. If there was a god, he’d be disgusted by the barbaric things done by religious people in his name.
Religion is not necessarily the same as religious institutions. Christianity is quite an outlier with its heavy centralization in the case of Catholicism, but there is many denominations of Christianity that are not adhering to a centralized institution.
If I were to guess why its probably because religious communities always tend to lean into hateful rhetoric against “others”.
People realize the closer you are to religion the further from God you feel as you couldn’t believe that judgement of other humans is wise from an all knowing being if it exists.
Then the internet of course gives so many alternate sane opinions for consumption and exposure readily at your fingertips.
Ex-Roman Catholic here. I was never particularly devout but this is what drove me away from the church once and for all. I have never seen people preach about God’s love with so much hate in their hearts.
“Donald Trump was sent by God to stop abortions”
Is when I realized, yes, I do actually hate organized religion.
Kirsten Lesage, Kelsey Jo Starr, and William Miner titled this erroneously. The title should be:
#Children are learning cults are bad, and their parents tried to indoctrinate them against their will
It doesn’t necessarily mean they become atheists; some switch religions. While in the West religion is in overall decline, in the global south, Christian evangelicals are on the rise. This is especially the case in Brazil where Catholicism is on decline but evangelicals are growing.
Whats funny is when they leave their childhood one and go to another. The new one seems better because they don’t know enough about it.
Some do, some don’t. Most ex-mormons like myself don’t end up going to another religion. We already have a community of like-minded people on the outside.
If I changed Jesus name to Bob and worshipped Bob in the exact same way id be called insane.
If counting Christianity then it will be a lot higher. I’m baptised and stuff like that, but that was just tradition. I never believed in a god.
my mom: “I just want a community to hang out with on Sundays and sing comforting hymns with. I don’t know why instead, everyone has to be weird about it.”
If that’s all churches did nobody would be celebrating their demise
I’m a proud atheist. And I get where she is coming from. Community is lacking and that’s sad.
it’s a vicious cycle under capitalism. community breakdown pushes people into dependency on products and subscriptions, which means they have to work more hours to afford them, which means they then need more products and subscriptions because they have less free time, but then they’ll need to work more hours to afford it, repeat ad absurdum until social collapse
She should try joining a D&D group instead.
lol she’d make a great cleric
cleric character who is fed up with corruption and bigotry in their church and goes on a divine quest to establish the Church of We Just Want To Hang Out and Sing Hymns Without Anyone Making It Weird
Not enough people leaving the very worst religion of all.
I would argue that the antireligious sentiments of “the left” and some liberals is a part of their civil religion.
Not surprising.
From personal experience, you find out pretty quickly that most of your peers are hypocrites that are rewarded, rather then punished.
