I saw a post that talked about racism towards people and when I talked about it the response I got was very heated and a person even called lemmy.world a community of ‘hitlerites’
I have been around for a week or so and this is my first time seeing such explicit vulgar reaction towards another community, is this a one-off or should I block hexbear?
Holy shit the sea of strawmen in this thread is insane.
I asked hexbear to see how they think in exchange
For people curious, it’s not as bad as it is portrayed and I believe the disdain is only in place because of their overwhelming support of China and USSR
That’s a very accurate assessment. Even on hexbear there’s contentious debate regarding China and Soviet Russia.
Why don’t you asked them yourself? [email protected]
Probably a bad idea to ask about a Marxist instance on a .world community, since .world is known to be quite biased against Marxism.
Or at the very least @kaprap, make a similar thread in [email protected], it’ll give them a chance to speak for themselves.
And you don’t think marxists have a Marxist bias?
OP has the opinions of the non-Marxists already by asking here, on an instance defederated from most of the Marxists. May as well ask the Marxists what they think too.
I’ve frequently noted that you tend to get a very one sided answer when you ask, for instance, Mormons about Mormonism. Likewise, I wouldn’t expect a balanced and fair assessment of hexbear by asking hexbear mods and users.
The opposite is true, when you only ask people not federated with Hexbear you get equally imbalanced opinions. OP already did that, may as well ask on Hexbear as well to get the other side of the story.
Huh. Interesting that everyone not federated with Hexbear would have a imbalanced/negative opinion of them, wouldn’t you say? Why do you suppose that might be?
Hexbear removes any questions or opinions they don’t agree with. They heavily censor the discussion and consider it a feature of their community.
Other Lemmy servers allow a diversity of thought and opinion. They allow people to question and disagree.
It’s not about sides of the story, it’s the difference between free discussion of individuals versus a standardized party line that cannot be questioned. The former tends to expose the truth, while the latter tends to obfuscate the truth.
Lemmy.world doesn’t allow any opinions from Hexbear, they defederated from them. That is more censorship, though less obvious because you don’t see the comments getting removed. Even then, comments still get removed for going against the “party line” as well, usually comments critiquing the Democrats.
What’s more correct is that Hexbear is more open and up front with its bias, while instances like Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works try to pretend that they don’t hold bias.
Bias you say? ROFL!
If you said this exact same thing in a community hosted on Hexbear or .ml, about Hexbear or .ml, it would be deleted, and you would be banned- 1st offense.
Don’t believe me? Check the mod logs. The admins there have banned people for far less.
The fact that your comment is allowed and you’re free to express it already belies your entire argument
That’s completely incorrect, there are hundreds of hexbear users commenting on this thread right now, using the alt accounts which they are allowed to make here. Or am I expected to believe that the 400 comments on this thread were simply normal Lemmy users who felt like defending hexbear? Give me a break.
Any hexbear account (or federated account) that expresses a disallowed opinion quickly gets banned and the comments purged, so that hexbears can maintain their echo chamber. What an absurd argument, claiming that defederation is in any way comparable to active censorship of content. You don’t even get to see the comments that get removed on hexbear because they purge them, leaving no trace. No comment removed by mod, nothing in the modlog.
Don’t fucking equate my instance to hexbear, I can see right through you, charlatan. You can run and hide from the truth all you like, but it will come for you eventually.
Do you think every user that likes Hexbear is a Hexbear user? Moreover, full defederation is the greatest act of censorship. I’m not equating sh.itjust.works to Hexbear, I generally have better experiences and run into far less bigotry on Hexbear. Your edgy monologue was funny, though, lol.
Not every single one, just the vast majority.
Moreover, full defederation is the greatest act of censorship.
How so, comrade? Explain to me how defederating a violent and hateful server is more of an act of censorship than… literal, by the book censorship.
You are a hexbear user, so it’d make sense that you have a better experience within your cult than outside it. Hexbear is more bigoted than any other Lemmy server, by a wide margin.
Note: being on Lemmy for about a year, I didn’t live through the early days of this place. Here’s what I can recollect, as neutrally given as possible.
TL;DR The recent conflicts between two politically different groups on Lemmy have radicalized many people, and many Hexbear residents in particular. Unless you are to discuss the far-left ideas and are very radical about disadvantaged groups, you are safe to block it.
Hexbear is a far-left (as in actually communist) anti-discrimination community, initially more of a safe haven to promote equality and foster a healthy and welcoming place for leftists to come together.
With core developers of Lemmy also being far-left, Hexbear naturally fitted the landscape along with the official Lemmy.ml, heavy far-left Lemmygrad.ml and others.
As time went on, however, all sorts of left-leaning and apolitical folks, not just far-left, came to the platform, filling other instances like Lemmy.world (now the most populated of them all), sh.itjust.works and many others.
As a result, Lemmy has two groups of people with radically different political views: one is a group of more or less organized far-left, and the other is everyone else, most commonly liberals. This distinction has caused a lot of conflicts and heated discussions based on political adherence.
Most notable case is latest US elections. The far left side generally called not to vote Democrat as Biden has failed to deliver on many of his promises and empowered Israel to commit war crimes in Palestine, while the liberal audience called to vote Democrat to not let Republicans take the lead, which may arguably lead to an even worse outcome than unaccountable Dems can make.
This divide has raised a lot of mutual hostility, brigading, and uncivil behavior, which has radicalized many on both sides of the conflict, the consequences of which you have got to experience.
What to do with that is up to you to decide. Hexbear is very politically uniform and very political overall, so if you’re not here to discuss communism, you won’t lose much and will gain additional peace of mind.
Also Hexbear and Lemmygrad were populated by r/chapotraphouse and r/GenZedong users respectively when those subreddits got banned, which happened before the main Reddit exodus that populated instances like .world
This is by far the best and most informative answer. The only thing it’s missing as another couple commenters pointed out is hexbear is all about their oversized memes and emojis, making anytime you happen upon one of their posts extremely conspicuous (even if politics aren’t being discussed).
The oversized emoji bug was fixed, by the way. They display normally now on other instances.
I’m being a little pedantic here, but “far left (as in actually communist)” wasn’t a thing until these recent online debates and forming groups started putting labels on groups and putting them into boxes. Communists are not necessarily left, nor far left. It feels a bit weird to ‘put’ them anywhere. That said, I know nothing about hexbear or this little group on Lemmy and how they identify…
It is unclear what this excerpt is meant to demonstrate.
By default, the terms “left” and “right” are describing the level of economic equality/freedom in a given society. The left call for economic equality and redistribution of resources, either through peaceful cooperation and abundance or through heavy state intervention, the right stands for private property above equality and freedom to act in personal financial interest.
Communists hold economic equality as paramount and vital for society, and put it above all else; in a perfect communist world, everyone always has access to everything that is available in an economy, and as such, there is no money (you can already take anything you need) and no point to privatize anything as there’s no revenue to speak of.
Thereby, communism is far left.
What do you believe “leftism” means? I can’t see a world where an ideology based on public ownership, collectivization, and working class liberation could be seen not as left.
A label, in all honesty. Historically they’re not left nor right nor middle. They can have ideologies of many, but too long to get into here. I was being pedantic because it’s a slight bug of mine when they are labelled and boxed like that. For example Nikolai Bukharin and Alexei Rykov (Bukharinists) and others like Joseph Stalin were not considered left but were communist.
Bukharin was considered “right” from the standpoint of a far-left ideology, as a point of comparison to the standard party line. That’s like saying -5 is a positive number because it is closer to positive numbers than -10.
A community of adherents of a political ideology which is fringe and marginal, and at the same time responsible for Trump’s victory. Very dangerous individuals.
“By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
You either block them and die a liberal or you engage and observe and live long enough to start spreading their agitprop and using your new pronoun “comrade” as you lead the way to glorious revolution.
(Seriously though, they’re just people on a leftist political instance. You’ll get the good, bad, and weird, same as any other place).
“A self help group for people who struggle with solvent abuse.”
Best answer in this thread.
Hexbear users will bully you to hell the very second you say something they disagree with. In my case, I said South Park is a funny show. They also think Putin is a good guy and at the same time they pretend 90% of their users are trans. Basically it’s a bunch of douche kids playing revolutionaries and intimating anyone they disagree with. My 2 cents.
Cis man declares himself the arbiter of trans-ness, only trans people who agree with him politically are valid. (He’s an ally okay, don’t point out his rampant transphobia or he gets pissy)
Yerbouti is a thin-skinned french canadian who is still bitter to this day that he went to a chapo show and they made fun of french canadians.
I’ve never seen anybody on hexbear say Putin is a good guy. And it seems pretty transphobic to say that they’re just pretending to be trans.
I’ve never seen anybody on hexbear say Putin is a good guy
Well I’ve seen a lot of user refusing to say he’s a authoritarian dictator so it’s basically saying he’s a good guy.
The same thing goes with refusing to vote Harris: that was basically saying you don’t mind letting Epstein’s closest friend rule the country because you don’t want to vote for a “lib”. Good job.
And again, I didn’t say people are pretending to be trans, I said I don’t trust Internet polls, especially anything that mones from hexbear. It seem hard to understand for you, but it’s not the same.
Now here’s my question: are you trans yourself? Because if you’re not, that would be incredibly transphobic and discriminating from you to pretend you can speak in the name of a minority group. Please reassure me.
Look man, if you’re just going to engage in this kind of wildly bad faith behavior, I really don’t see any point in continuing to engage.
I agree that this is not going anywhere But I’m not speaking in bad faith, I’m sharing observations from interactions I had with Hexbear users. Maybe you should ask yourself why, on a left-leaning website like Lemmy, almost all the instances have chosen to dissociate from Hexbear. Maybe if you believe everyone around you sucks, you’re the one that does.
Also, why can you just answer my last question? It’s a fair question since every god damn time the hexbear subject is brought, people like you call tranpshobic anyone who dares to criticize it. I will give you much more credibility on the subject if being trans is your reality. BTW, why would you call me “man”? Bold of you to assume that I’m a man.
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Lots of accusations but can’t answer questions.
I love going there and bullying them. Its my fav pass time when they had enough they just delete all my post cause they are malding! They also like to call it their platform which I always correct them on …
To be clear, your posts are largely removed not just from Hexbear but other instances for rampant misogyny and general manosphere talking points, as well as getting into constant fights with other users.
Thank you for your interest in me.
I just took a look at your participation in the hexbear thread you are referencing, and I’m confused about the issue. Seems like you got mostly thoughtful and positive replies. There was some .world bashing at the end including the bit you quoted. It seems strange to me that rather than ask questions about hexbear to the actual users there, you came over here to ask on an instance that has daily threads complaining about leftist instances.
It’s something every sane person should block as soon as they join Lemmy.
They seem like grad users in the fact that no one outside their instance wants to federate with their toxic instance. Who would’ve guessed that a highly charged instances calls people “Hitlerites” as an insult. (Obv I lack context here regarding the comment.)
https://sh.itjust.works/c/meanwhileongrad
One word, Tankies.
The community I shared rounds up posts that really portray their
PhalusophyPhilosophy really well. Now you would need to scroll down a bit to see some posts from hexbear specifically.but I cannot recommend you enough to stay well away from hexbear, lemmygrad and if possible .ml
Quick question, what’s the humor in satarizing a Chinese man as a yellow bear, specificially? Why not a Panda?
I might be naïve, but the color of Winnie’s… cloth, never seemed to be a factor to me. It’s the odd physical similarity between Xi and Pooh that’s striking; what with their roundness, debonair allure, large nose and whatnot.
Sure, so why Pooh and not a Panda?
Why not indeed. Is there any cartoon panda (and another cartoon animal) that look somewhat like the lanky Obama and comparatively stubbier Xi that could have been used when the meme originated?
I don’t fault the origins entirely (though it is suspicious nonetheless), I fault the staying power and the overwhelming usage by right-wing westerners. Why isn’t Obama referenced as Tigger, or Shinzo Abe as Eeyore?
For having had the “pleasure” of discussing the topic with the kind of people you’re talking about, the kind of assholes that wouldn’t be shy about using racist slurs while looking you straight the in the eyes, the color was never brought up. It was all about the “censorship” on one hand (if he hates it, I’ll just do it more), and just a way to demean Xi by comparing him to a, let’s politely paraphrase, a simple-minded character on the other. It’s anecdotal, but I think that it’s nonetheless why this particular comparison broadly stuck in the end.
They generally don’t admit to it, claiming it’s just about censorship is a convenient excuse.
You’d have to ask the Chinese internet users who started the meme. Or there is a detailed wikipedia article if you’re interested in the backstory.
Wikipedia actually doesn’t state that it was chinese users that started it, just that the Chinese internet started taking the comparisons down (same with all of the articles I found and the ones Wikipedia references as sources). Additionally, the original image of Xi and Obama together as Pooh and Tigger, and the subsequent picture of Xi and Shinzo Abe as Pooh and Eeyore, emerged as group pictures of world leaders, but only the comparison of Xi to Pooh stuck.
Further, that doesn’t explain the immense popularity among westerners in portraying Xi as a yellow bear, nor why it seems to be especially popular among western right-wingers.
Curiously enough, MWoG is maintained by a gamergater. Curious indeed.
Source on the gamergater claim?
Here’s where they admit to it. They claim to have gotten better, but they were radicalized by it, and their behavior indicates that they haven’t actually moved too far beyond it, such as when they complain about “encountering wokeness.” In another instance, they blame far-right radicalization on “forcing equity,” which is just anti-DEI nonsense.
Can’t say I’m surprised. My guy was on the frontline defending that fascist instance when the reddit exodus happened after all.
Yep, not really surprising.
Idk that calling them a gamergater is fair with that context since that implies they’re an active threat to women but it does explain why they only seem interested in hating communism.
Depends on the degree, complaining about “forcing equity” and “wokeness” to me honestly implies danger in my opinion. Plus, the whole anticommunism being their sole focus thing really doesn’t help.
OK maybe not started (couldn’t find a definitive origin), but they did use it quite a bit.
Additionally, the original image of Xi and Obama together as Pooh and Tigger, and the subsequent picture of Xi and Shinzo Abe as Pooh and Eeyore, emerged as group pictures of world leaders, but only the comparison of Xi to Pooh stuck.
Maybe because the others didn’t throw a tantrum about it. Or maybe because Chinese users have to use euphemisms and memes to avoid censorship.
Further, that doesn’t explain the immense popularity among westerners in portraying Xi as a yellow bear, nor why it seems to be especially popular among western right-wingers.
If you say so. I for one had not seen this meme for quite some time and had completely forgotten about it until you brought it up.
I brought it up because MWoG uses it as the community icon.
Again, your sources don’t seem to support what you’re saying, there isn’t widespread disapproval of the CPC. According to Harvard, support for the CPC is over 90%.
Yes, I am aware that .ml lives in a fantasy world where there are no dissidents in China. It also helps that speaking ill of the CCP has never been harshly repressed in China.
You can just read the article, they address your concerns:
Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread in China, these findings highlight that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals’ material well-being. Satisfaction and support must be consistently reinforced. As a result, the data point to specific areas in which citizen satisfaction could decline in today’s era of slowing economic growth and continued environmental degradation.
A self help group for people who struggle with solvent abuse.
Hexbear is pretty overwhelmingly queer/trans and anarchist/communist.
If you’ve never run into a transfem communist IRL it’s probably because you’re not in many queer or left wing organizing spaces.
I’m actually pretty new to Lemmy in the last year and in that time I’ve seen way more .world posters being toxic about .ml/hexbear and making vague posts about how bad they are. I have to imagine that’s why you’re now seeing backlash to .world. Also most of the time I see people complaining about these instances and I dig into the modlog it’s overwhelmingly because they got banned at some point for being reactionary and are bent out of shape about it.
In my experience as a queer leftist, world is toxic as hell. I’ve had numerous moments where I’ve considered banning the whole instance but there’s communities on it I like. So i ban individuals who drink too much liberal kool aid and think team blue can do nothing wrong and genocide is perfectly reasonable because the other guy is worse! and they have been crying non stop since they lost and continue to blame the left for having a backbone rather than look in the mirror.
Needless to say my whole account got banned on world for being a Luigi supporter and anti-democrat. So im on an anarchist instance now, and even after a minor disagreement with an admin over the concept of copyright it’s still nice.
We disagreed on copyright?! That’s a ben, landlubber!
Here’s my take…
They’re more cohesive and insular than most groups you’ll find on social media.
They’ve brewed their own strongly held culture and ideology.
Many are also used to being ostracised by other communities due to sexual preferences or other personal attributes.
The result is, if you naively post in a thread in which they are active your opinion will get stomped on if it does not directly align with theirs.
Many are also used to being ostracised by other communities due to sexual preferences or other personal attributes.
Based on their polling, most are trans and based on reading their posts for the last year, most are sick of the rampant transphobia on pretty much every social media platform, including on lemmy
You’ll find a good amount of transphobia on this post too, proving them correct. One user is directly attacking trans users by claiming that the trans user is “faking it” and attacked another user by defending chasers, calling chasers “allies.”
It’s really everywhere for those with the eyes to see.
Absolutely, and despite reporting many of them they seem to stay up.
ITT: everyone says they’re bad without giving any examples, telling you what to think instead of letting you form your own conclusions.
They’re decent people as long as you don’t argue politics with them… I think
It truly depends on your own political views. What do you consider yourself?
Sometimes I like hexbear, agree with them and laugh with them, and sometimes their insular attitude makes me cringe. I am very critical of the democratic establishment in the US but hexbear’s “blueMAGA” talk is really offputting to me and sounds like the incel / redpill speak from parts of reddit and other online communities.
Given the liberal meltdown post election and inability to self reflect about the landslide loss, blue MAGA is entirely fitting.
Define Blue Maga for me, I haven’t seen a consistent explanation.
Anyone who thinks its the people that fail the party and not the other way around. So basically anyone who blames the people for not voting dem, instead of blaming the dems for not putting forth an appealing program that would represent the voters. You know, like in a democracy.
Blue MAGA to me (everyone’s gonna have a different definition) are liberals who can’t accept any criticism or self reflection about the democrats or why they lost, and immediately knee jerk reaction to anyone criticizing dems as being trump supporters and being happy trump won. At their most extreme, they’re also fascists, saying shit like “I hope you end up in camps, I hope you get deported, I hope they kill you, etc”. (I’m a visibly queer woman)
They have the political understanding of young children and can’t comprehend why their party lost in a landslide (dems lost the presidency, the house, the senate, state governments, local elections) and immediately conclude it’s because of identity politics - racism, transphobia, queer phobia, hates women, hates immigrants, etc. because that’s what the MSM has been drilling into their soft little heads for the last decade now. If they actually talked to trump voters, third party voters and non voters they’d learn how wrong they are.
It’s so simplistic it reminds me of when George w bush blamed 9/11 on Muslims because “they hate us and they hate our freedoms” and not the real reason: those involved hate our imperialism, our capitalism, and our foreign policy for good fucking reason being on the receiving end of our bullshit for decades. And look around you, well you’re on a Canadian instance so maybe not but - Al queda won.
Edit: also I just wanted to add - I at one point canvassed for the democrats on behalf of Bernie’s campaign in 2016. And I’ll never ever vote democrat again. I held my nose for biden and immediately regretted it over a whole slew of issues but israel most importantly. But after the smug contempt the party holds the working class in and shoves their shitty neoliberal candidates who actively make my life worse while pretending theyre my ally down our throats I’m done with democrats for good. If they can’t hold a primary they can’t go around bleating about how they’re saving democracy. Not all of us are as stupid as the blue MAGAs who believe that idiocy.
MAGA is a movement that glorifies a Hitler like figure who has promised to put tens of millions of honest workers in concentration camps because somehow immigrants are the cause of all their woes. These folks were both willing to deny any loss for any reason and willing to kill their neighbors in a civil war to “take their county back” if they lose.
“bluemaga” are people what mad that America’s Hitler won?
Blue MAGA is the cult like belief that the democrats can do nothing wrong and any criticism of them is a vote for trump. It’s idiotic, just like their red MAGA counterparts. They’re willing to accept a genocide so long as their team wins.
Because we generally didn’t get to pick between genocide and Trump it was between genocide and bigger genocide
Blue maga is a stupid stupid term by stupid stupid people
You’re just mad because it’s about you. What’s stupid is thinking voting blue no matter who being a winning strategy. That worked out for ya didn’t it. Lost the presidency, the senate, the house, numerous state governments and local elections. Great job liberals! You’d rather lose to fascists than embrace leftist positions.
bluemaga were coming to the defense of Genocide Joe until the very last second and the only thing that made them switch was a bad TV performance. They didn’t care about the genocide, it was a bad TV performance that made them go “uuuh not a good look sweaty” and then they started rooting for the genocides second-in-command. They’re mad Hitler won because they were rooting for Mussolini
They’re mad Hitler won because they were rooting for Mussolini
Damn what a fucking burn right there. But they’ll still never get what the problem is, because they’re liberals and so long as the west keeps delivering treats to the well off coastal suburban liberal base the democrats can do nothing wrong. Genocide? What genocide? Trump will be worse! meanwhile trumps getting a ceasefire in place (which granted who knows if Israel will actually follow or if everyone’s full of shit) with the same conditions as the one biden offered months ago, only this time yahoo is agreeing to it. Liberal talking points aging like milk so far.
And for the record, I voted third party, and I’ll continue to drink liberal tears. The democrats would rather lose to a fascist than adopt leftist positions.
But they’ll still never get what the problem is, because they’re liberals and so long as the west keeps delivering treats to the well off coastal suburban liberal base the democrats can do nothing wrong.
I remember this comment https://lemmy.world/comment/10079489 because it’s such a good view into the average treatler brain. They believe Trump would be good for them but out of the kindness of their hearts they’re willing to sacrifice some imagined treats and those ethnicities better be grateful for it.
