• givesomefucks@lemmy.worldOP
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    4 months ago

    What?

    Pretty sure every US president since Israel was invented has had to check Israel at some point.

    Biden has spent 50 years saying he never will, and publicly shit talked Obama when he was VP and Obama had to check them…

    It’s possible trump didn’t, but are you really saying he’s as reliable as Joe Biden?

    If trump ever realizes someone needs him, he bleeds them for everything they have…

    Or are you saying Biden has been lying for 50 years, has a line, and genocide just doesn’t cross it?

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      4 months ago

      Pretty sure every US president since Israel was invented has had to check Israel at some point.

      Explain why you’re sure of this. American support for Israel is constant and extremely well entrenched. Every time the Israel PM shows up to Congress it turns into a contest to see who can suck his dick The most. The administration doesn’t matter. American support for Israel ranges from absolute material support with absolute political support, to absolute material support and only lukewarm political support. In both cases material support is unaffected.

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        4 months ago

        Instead, they said Biden has noted, Obama publicly admonished Israel’s actions and voiced concern for Palestinian civilian deaths early into the 2014 conflict. As a result, Biden has argued, Obama squandered any ability to influence the Israeli government as it invaded Gaza, said the people familiar with his comments.

        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-obama-divide-closely-support-israel-rcna127107

        Now, I don’t want to find something for every president, and I already explained why trump is uniquely unreliable in pretty much every possible way.

        But if you wanted to name any other single president, I can put the legwork in for another.

        I do want to point I said “pretty sure” meaning I wasn’t completely sure, so not sure why you came back with

        Explain why you’re sure of this

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          Instead, they said Biden has noted, Obama publicly admonished Israel’s actions and voiced concern for Palestinian civilian deaths early into the 2014 conflict. As a result, Biden has argued, Obama squandered any ability to influence the Israeli government as it invaded Gaza, said the people familiar with his comments.

          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-obama-divide-closely-support-israel-rcna127107

          And actual material support was affected how?

          Now, I don’t want to find something for every president, and I already explained why trump is uniquely unreliable in pretty much every possible way.

          You definitely didn’t. American support for Israel is so well entrenched that is has actual strategic depth. That includes ensuring that the political path of least resistance is to support Israel absolutely, so Trump does. It’s just easiest. All you’ve done is look at words with no actual action behind them . All material support has remained completely stable.