Short version: yesterday, Lemmy.world announced essentially, though they buried it under lots of distracting verbiage, that they were going to follow in the footsteps of Vichy Twitter and Meta and allow hate speech and misinformation, and probably more to the point, they intend to force recalcitrant mods to allow it regardless of their own views on the matter.
And the head mod/creator/whatever they are of unpopular opinion took exception to that and locked the community in protest.
Well, time to make my alt community account my primary one. See y’all on the other side!
I make them perna ban me first. Fuck them.
But yeah. Gtfo, and be carful, if the world is flat that means it has an edge.
Tankie mods on world are criticized for being too tankie in moderation.
Admins try to address this by forcing mods to argue instead of immediately ban if something is posted against their beliefs.
A non-tankie mod thinks it is bullshit that they have to engage in every online argument in good faith and takes their subs (I know this isn’t the official term but it communicates the idea) dark in protest.
While I don’t agree with the ‘tankie’ rhetoric (it’s been thrown around so much that word has no meaning here), mod abuse has definitely gotten out of control across most online communities.
It’s opening up an opportunity for communities that don’t tolerate mod abuse to flourish.
The mods only have themselves to blame. Hopefully these new communities won’t repeat the same mistakes.
Why are right wingers the only ones who ever try to devalue the meaning of words?
If they don’t like being called tankies or nazis they are free to chage their beleifs, same as you if you feel like you are being grouped in for your beliefs.
We’re going to allow some “flat earth” comments. We’re going to force some moderators to accept some “flat earth” comments
Yup, when I think of tankies I think about the flat earth conspiracy. 🙄
This shows you clearly don’t understand what was implied by what was said. “Flat earth” is a placeholder term to imply “random nonsense conspiracy theory.” Nothing more.
The idea is that instead of instant removal/ban, we are encouraged to debate and draw out through discussion, the reason why it’s bullshit.
I’ll agree that the change suggested is a bit confusing in it’s wording, but simultaneously, it was also misinterpreted by knee-jerk reactionaries to mean what they needed it to mean to result in the outrage they crave.
What I understand is the new rules are to force us to deal with random nonsense conspiracy theories. We are encouraged to have drawn out discussions with concern trolls who should just get banned. Do you have any idea how long a troll can draw out a discussion while still remaining polite? It’s fun for them to make us patiently explain to them that the Earth is round.
You’re not being encouraged to have drawn out discussions with trolls. WE (mods) are encouraged to not insta-ban or knee-jerk remove content just because it might lie within a grey area of what we consider trolling, like other instances do from time to time. If someone is blatantly trolling, which is usually obvious- we remove the content, but if not and it’s just an unpopular opinion/conspiracy theory, the idea is that it should remain and be debated with facts and shut down via discourse rather than a heavy hand.
Also… This is not an all encompassing be-all-end-all rule. It’s nuanced. VERY nuanced. Again, no one is forcing you to have to deal with nonsense. You also have the option to not react to people you believe is trolling in bad faith, and report them if you feel they are brewing the rules.
Hope this clears some of it up.
It sounds like it means users are forced to interact with shitty content because the mods won’t remove it.
Not that it matters, the whole .world instance is a toxic disinformation hub that should have been defederated long ago by every sane instance, but from what I’ve read it wasn’t tankies, in this case, it was vegan fundamentalists going on a ban spree (it’s far from the first time their .world community causes drama).
Wait, it was about the VEGANS again?!
Vegan fundamentalists.
Veganism is a perfectly cromulent diet choice as long as you take care to supplement any vitamins and aminoacids your diet may lack and you don’t force it on growing children or obligate carnivore pets.
The problem with the mods in .world’s vegan community, is that they don’t treat it as a personal diet choice, but as a cult. And their view of “heretics” seems directly inspired by Warhammer 40,000.
i still use sub. i dont think ill ever stop. like how podcasts are still called podcasts and they dont even make ipods anymore.
Here’s something to blow your mind: podcasts pre-date the iPod.
The term “podcast” was coined by Ben Hammersley, a BBC journalist and The Guardian columnist, in February 2004. The word is a combination of “iPod” and “broadcast”. Hammersley first used the term in an article for The Guardian.
Seems like they locked the community in protest of recent .world TOS changes. Although I think a much better protest would be to simply refuse to enforce the changes they felt are unsatisfactory.
…or just migrate the community to another instance? Like why are we in the fediverse? Have people forgotten that if you don’t like a instance, you can just move to another one?
Migration as a first choice is rash.
It’s really not. The whole purpose of federation is that you can just go to whatever instance you like best.
Migration as a sub is rash since it involves moving a community of people.
But it doesn’t? I moved from .world to .ml last year but I can still go to .world communities to argue with people, just like before. Migration actually should be the first choice.
This isn’t regarding a user, but where a community is being hosted.
Are all major community members in Lemmys that are federated to where the community is being moved?
What happens to the community’s data, since it won’t get carried over?
What prevents this issue from happening again in a new instance?
For a platform that is meant to communicate, it seems funny that a lot of people’s gut reactions to coordination problems is to cut all ties and leave.
Are all major community members in Lemmys that are federated to where the community is being moved?
Depends on where they move, doesn’t it? Obviously if a community moves to hexbear then .world users won’t be able to access it (and that’s .world’s fault). But there’s no need to do that? They can just move to a federated instance and stay connected.
What happens to the community’s data, since it won’t get carried over?
Does anything have to happen to that data? Why not just leave it behind as a record? I guess they could go through the effort of using a bot to repost everything in the new community if they wanted to preserve everything and not leave it on the old instance.
What prevents this issue from happening again in a new instance?
Pick a good instance and it won’t happen.
.world was always shit, anyone could have seen this coming. It’s always just been a reddit instance.
For a platform that is meant to communicate, it seems funny that a lot of people’s gut reactions to coordination problems is to cut all ties and leave.
Again, the whole point of federation is that we don’t cut all ties. It’s not like moving communities requires defederating from .world
Mods are sad that this isn’t reddit where their communities are their own little fiefdom
As I understand, It was a move intended to inspire discussion rather than having overreaching moderators knee-jerk remove posts/comments. It just wasn’t worded properly.
Yeah. Like, I do understand 100% that if someone says something in good faith, even if it’s disagreeable or stupid, and not harmful, is there really a point in removing it? Although , even then, I got banned from politicalhumor for “racism” for posting the following meme:
It was in a comment section and my joke was that Joe Biden legalised abortion. However they must have thought that I was posting it unrionically and was seriously claiming that Obama was a Muslim based on him being black, even though that it should be obvious that even the creator of the meme was parodying Facebook grandmothers
I’m pretty sure you should have been allowed an appeal. I believe it’s a “bylaw” of lemmy. Next time you feel you’ve had a comment unfairly removed or you’ve been banned for something you feel wasn’t worthy of a ban, reach out to a moderator of that community and just ask.
We’re not Reddit. Sometimes, misunderstandings happen.
https://lemmy.world/post/24135976
So they’re trying cut back on echo chambers and power tripping mods. I like this, but I wonder how this going to play out.
We’re going to allow some “flat earth” comments. We’re going to force some moderators to accept some “flat earth” comments
You… like this? Glad I’m not a mod, this is how places like Reddit became what they are today. Opinions should be allowed, but admins should be able to moderate blatant falsehoods.
You… like this?
Yeah. You know the saying, “Sunlight is the best disinfectant.”.
Did sunlight stop the Nazi problem on Twitter?
