Who keeps saying Elon’s Nazi salute was a Nazi salute? Amongst others, a whole lot of fucking Nazi’s.
ETA: Wired has more coverage on how real goddamn fucking nazis are just as happy as pigs in shit right now: Neo-Nazis Love the Nazi-Like Salutes Elon Musk Made at Trump’s Inauguration.
The logic is I watched him do a nazi salute.
What’s your logic?
TWICE.
He turned to Trump and did it again.
So three times then? Once to the crowd, once to the flag, and once to Herr Trumpf
Please look back at what I said. Is that a fallacy or not? After letting me know that - you could ask me if I thought it was a nazi salute or not. Instead of just making assumption.
Man I’m not really on the internet very much- but it seems to me people like to debate or just plan argue in bad faith in ways they wouldn’t speak to people face to face.
Enjoy being perennially online, I’ve got stuff to build in the real world….yadayadayada touch grass
I would tell you face to face I literally watched Musk do a Nazi salute with my own damn eyes. It. Was. A. Nazi. Salute.
That’s it, there’s no nuance no room for error very blatant and obvious. Watch the video if you don’t agree and you’ll see for yourself.
Again. Not engaging with what I said, then attempted to clarify. I can understand if you’re upset about what you saw- that’s no reason to come at me.
That’s not it. There’s no reason to shut down. If you can’t even discuss what I’m talking about- how do you ever think you’ll be able to explain it to people who think differently than you. If you don’t debate in good faith - how are you any better than those you accuse of lying and being disingenuous?
It seems to me communicating about stuff like politics and ideology online no one ever wants to secede anything to the person they’re communicating with. Their mind is made up before. How is this helpful discourse to move us out of this place we’ve found ourselves in?
I’ve watched the full video multiple times. Looked at various sides “takes”. Read comments from both sides. Seen some bs on Both sides.
But if you expect me to believe you simply because you say so- or because I’ve gotten downvoted a bunch , I’m sorry Sir- but that’s not how I work. And I hope that that’s not how you judge things either. But if it is, that’s your right and I’ll respect that- just don’t go thinking you’re doing anything different than those on the other side in terms of making points.
You think there should be a debate or that there is even room for it.
I’m saying it’s not debatable it’s just a straight fact Musk gave a Nazi salute. There is no room for debate in good or bad faith cause it is not debatable.
Anyone trying to argue this was not a Nazi salute is just arguing in bad faith because they’re simply ignoring reality. Like I said, nothing to argue over because there’s just the truth (it was a Nazi salute) and lies (all the other excuses and bullshit).
Like you’re asking me to “debate in good faith” something that is not debatable. It just is.
Okay, so… you’re a
nazicentrist. The masses appear to have spoken, and your opinions apparently aren’t welcome or worth respecting in this venue. So why should your particular spin on “just asking questions” or “dae civil debate” be tolerated? You’re clearly comfortable with Musk doing this, and you consider it very important to whiteknight for our favorite scrappy underdog (er… musk) by preaching about how we can’t be incivil in the face of a man with more power and influence than any other human being alive pulling an obvious fucking nazi salute at the inauguration.Seriously, we get it, you’re comfortable with nazis being in power. You don’t have to keep poisoning the discussion by going on about it.
Please don’t make assumptions about me, or make it seem like being a centrist is equal to being a nazi - which I am not. I’m also not “just asking question” like you state. Nor am I comfortable with someone in massive position of power doing a nazi salute. But it seems you already know who am I, what I think and what I’m doing. (You don’t know any of those) Im also not white knighting him- where did I do that?
I thought trying to make the point that when making points about Important discussions using logical fallacies isn’t the best way to go about it.
But continue to make assumptions about someone you don’t know and point your anger at the issue at hand at me instead. If you wanted to say I was being a contrarian or this is no place or time to worry about things like that- I would have ceded that, begrudgingly but I would have seen where you were coming from.
Instead you attack me, don’t acknowledge what I was trying to get across. Tell me how much more enlightened you are. God do people spend all day arguing like this online? Is that a great life?
Agree, backdown and concede is all you seem to tolerate.
You’re right I should just get off this thing, stop engaging and go live my IRL life. It’s much better than trying to engage with people on the internet. Thank you for the reminder. I’m going back to growing food, teaching people about food security, natural building and building community in real life. Despite what your wrongly accuse me of, I honestly wish you the best in your life.
How dare I draw reasonable conclusions about your personality from the way you comport yourself. God, what a jerk I must be. It’s not like I could possibly interpret what you say as a reflection of the values you hold, god forbid anyone think that the opinions of the author bleed through to the written work. Man, you’re just a poor misunderstood lil’ bean, aren’t you? How could the internet be so mean to you, when clearly you didn’t mean the… er… things that you said. (obvious /s)
To quote TachyonTele’s excellent rebuttal, a comment I notice you didn’t reply to:
Dude, if you’re not actually opposed to nazis, or are defending the nazis under the veil of reasoned debate or whatever you use to justify your actions, you’re a nazi. Centrists that make excuses for nazi behavior, or preach for tolerance in front of fucking obvious nazi salutes, or who fundamentally do not understand what bandwagoning is and act like a smug tool while being wrong about it, are just as much to blame as the nazis themselves. The backlash you’ve received should be more than enough evidence that your opinion of your actions is not how those actions represent themselves. And for future reference, the rules of informal logic do not apply to informal discussion. Right now you are, no matter how much you might try and deny the fact, aligned with the nazis.
Please think about that.
Nothing Ive said isnt anything I’d also say to someones face. You’re upset no one likes what youve said, so now you’re blaming “the internet”.
I qouted an article, and you came in here making bad assumptions about bandwagons that doesn’t have anything to do with watching a man give the nazi salute during the US presidential inauguration.
There’s nothing to debate. You’re the bad faith in this post.