Nobody here wants nazi upvotes except you. Just go away.

Okay, so… you’re a nazi centrist. The masses appear to have spoken, and your opinions apparently aren’t welcome or worth respecting in this venue. So why should your particular spin on “just asking questions” or “dae civil debate” be tolerated? You’re clearly comfortable with Musk doing this, and you consider it very important to whiteknight for our favorite scrappy underdog (er… musk) by preaching about how we can’t be incivil in the face of a man with more power and influence than any other human being alive pulling an obvious fucking nazi salute at the inauguration.

Seriously, we get it, you’re comfortable with nazis being in power. You don’t have to keep poisoning the discussion by going on about it.

This is such deluded patriotism it should be coming from an american.

Russia wouldn’t invade “Europe”, they would invade, say, Moldova (which is their actual plan). Is Germany going to commit troops to defend Moldovian soil? They aren’t for Ukraine. What about the UK? France? Will they send their vaunted jets and soldiers? There’s material being given to Ukraine, and intelligence, and all kinds of backroom advice, and how much of it will stop once Trump takes us out of NATO? Can europe pick up the slack? Are you going to rally together and strike Russia to stop them building up, or will the russian backed neofascist parties that are on the rise in every country seize power before you have the chance?

You should be really, really worried, because the odds are that your country spends less than 2% of it’s GDP on it’s military. How long do you think that you’re going to be able to hold out against Russia, alone, with that?

People have been doing that tons - It’s not being censored. Personally I assume this is due to western propaganda overstating the degree of censorship in china and rednote not being set up to moderate the large amounts of english content they’re now getting.

I really dislike point by point breakdowns, it’s too easy to take individual statements out of context and the lack of a clear thesis makes it incredibly difficult to respond without resorting to comments of even greater length.

In an effort to combat this, would it be fair to say your position is that while TikTok is bad, it’s okay to still use it because it’s extremely popular, and thus the ability to do things like engage or organize with other people in your subcultures is consequently quite high? “The good outweighs the ill” as it were? Which is a reasonable position to take, to be clear, even if your actual feelings are more nuanced.

(That’s not me being bitchy, I just genuinely do not have the time to respond to every single thing you’ve said there. Explaining the literary difference between explicit and implicit dismissal of evidence would alone take us beyond the character limit, as my self indulgent explanation spiraled further and further into the jargony depths of academic tedium…)

Bud we’re lemmy users. We don’t get invited to parties, even ones thrown by other lemmy users.

Nah, you just come into every interaction cloaked in a miasma of confrontational obstinance. It can be really tiring to deal with.

That is interesting, I didn’t realize that was how it was being argued.

In response to the other constitutional argument TikTok is making, DOJ said the law is not a bill of attainder because addressing national security concerns is not a form of punishment and bills of attainder apply to people, not corporations. (via Merriam Webster)

It does sound like there’s some contention about that, and although the national security bit is as cringingly craven as usual, the applicability of the restriction to corporate entities is going to be an interesting decision to see ruled on.

Glad to see you’re up to your usual form, buddy. Keep on fighting the good fight.

(um, name calling?)

Anyways, my criticism was not time delineated, you asked for evidence, and now are claiming the evidence I provided to support my initial claim isn’t good enough because of a new condition you’ve brought out. That’s… I don’t have another colloquial term to describe it besides “shifting the goalpost”. You’re changing the requirements for evidence to render previous valid evidence invalid. There’s a term for that (a point I think I’ve amply belaboured by now).

And sure, poor behavior can absolutely be learned from. Thats a core tenet of society. But, just for fun, could you please give me an example of a massive multinational corporation, or a social media platform, voluntarily becoming less evil? There’s been absolutely no indication that TikTok has ever stopped these practices, too. So why are you giving them the benefit of the doubt? Have they ever done anything to justify such high regard?

Look I’m sorry this apparent egalitarian wonder app is on the chopping block, but do you seriously want to be a TikTok Apologist? Could you imagine your reaction to someone this zealously defending, say, Facebook? You’d think they were nuts, facebook has been exhaustively shown to be so evil their CEO is widely rumored not to be human. So why is tiktok, an equally bad app (but one you like), suddenly okay?

It’s exhaustively well documented that they did this, I’ve linked to one reputable source a couple comments up.

(FWIW putting users in those categories into a walled garden where their content is only shown some similarly-minded users is a popular form of suppression and you, one of the users in question, would still see that content on your feed. This is what TikTok was caught doing. Anecdotal evidence and all that.)

Wait, what about that is unconstitutional?

Shifting the goalpost much

Sorry I insulted your app waifu with my… substantiated claims about it’s conduct? How disingenuous of me. I should be ashamed, presenting its previous actions as things that it has done in the past.

It’s pretty well documented that they did/do this. I’m sorry, you’ve fully bought into the PR TikTok spin. They present themselves as somehow an egalitarian organization. They aren’t.

You got some suggestions on where to look? We’re speedrunning the fall of rome over here, it’s pretty much to the point that even hope is an unreasonable thing to hope for…

Its a platform that was secretly suppressing people for being disabled, black, queer or ugly. Cheering it’s death is reasonable, defending it on the grounds that people will have to advertise somewhere else really isn’t.

People would never set foot in a hospital again if they found out how many orthopedic surgeries involve a dewalt drill at some point.

They have been performing horribly quarter to quarter lately, and so pretty much all of their product lines have had shit like this happen. Nerf has no springs and shoddy plastic, Wizards of the Coast are dropping a ton of middling-popular products from production, even their Marvel line has really taken a hit to quality with bad fabrics, cheap printing, etc. Everything is being cut to the barest minimum to try and claw back their profitability.

… It’s stunning they can’t seem to connect the dots, really.

What does the relative pay scale of union vs non-union teachers have to do with anything? The point has been that unions are not magic ways to increase wages across a sector if wages are stagnant for both union and non union workers.

Wage stagnation can affect unions just as much as anyone else. If you want an example, look at how little teachers get paid despite having one of the largest unions in the country, with an extremely high percentage of professionals having membership. Unions cannot magically make an entire sector start paying more, that’s just not how anything works.