• AngryPancake@sh.itjust.works
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    4 months ago

    Denying entry for people in need can’t be the answer. Honestly, it’s unfair that we were lucky enough to be born into a stable country. It’s unfair that other people have to live under dictators looking only for their personal interest. It’s unfair that people have to live under the consequences of global power struggles and it’s also unfair that Western countries exploit other nations and then don’t lend assistance when everything turns to shit.

    How can you justify sending away these people that are fleeing from warzones or due to global warming. They are losing family and their homes and yet, they spent their life worrying while we can go to restaurants, cafes, play in parks, go hiking, swimming or biking without ever having to worry.

    Leaning into the immigration policy of the right cannot be the answer, there has to be another solution.

    • calcopiritus@lemmy.world
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      4 months ago

      There are many ways to address immigration. And not all of them consist on not letting people in.

      You can take in consideration what the average person thinks about immigrants and fix that:

      • Immigrants are stealing our jobs.
      • Immigrants are criminals.

      I’m gonna try and think outside the box instead of the normal “it’s poverty that makes them criminals! They need better social support” which is probably true, but won’t convince the far right voters to vote for you.

      The first one is the easiest to solve of the two. Since in most western countries, immigrants coming to work is actually good for the economy, since the native population has a declining birth rate and is aging, so they need working people that don’t come from births (immigrants). But you can still:

      • Enforce that employers pay the minimum wage
      • Have a higher minimum wage for immigrants, so employers only hire them if they’re actually better than the natives (or there are no natives applying for the job). And while we’re at it, raise the minimum wage for everyone.
      • Only allow immigrants without a special visa to work in certain sectors (for example those that native people don’t want to do).

      I know 2/3 of those treat immigrants as “lower” people, but it’s still better than illegal immigration or don’t letting them in.

      For the second one, the main problem is that 1st generation immigrants are not the issue, but their children are. Because their children were born in that country so most of the time they’re citizens and you can’t just deport them like 1st generation. The only way I can think of to fix this is don’t give them citizenship until they’ve passed an actually hard exam that shows they’ve integrated into the culture, and have a clean record. They would be “2nd class citizens” at that point. 2nd class and normal citizens are legally the exact same, with only one difference. If a 2nd class has children after having committed a crime, their children are also 2nd class. If they have a clean record, it is assumed that they have integrated in the local culture and their children are born as normal citizens.

      These ideas probably have a thousand things i didn’t consider, but I believe they’re better than not letting immigrants in.

      • Match!!@pawb.social
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        4 months ago

        I appreciate that you put some thought into this but woooooof you have terrible ideas. It’s like you looked at the “it’s poverty that makes them criminals! They need better social support” and then specifically did everything you could to form systems that solve it in a different way even though you were correct the first time, they need better social support.

        There was no reason to shy from the truth. Immigration is good with social support. Also should be better social support for non-immigrants in poverty too. You don’t need to worry about “convincing far right voters” because the far right doesn’t come to power if you have a fair, transparent, and low-inequality economy and government programs that serve everyone well.

        • calcopiritus@lemmy.world
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          4 months ago

          I didn’t say that “poverty makes them criminals” was wrong. I know it is true. Was trying to think what it would get to take an alt right’s vote.