• Rob T Firefly@lemmy.world
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      Just because the politicians want to grab you out of your life and use you as cannon fodder doesn’t mean they want to actually be as accountable to you as they’re supposed to.

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      Automatic registration for Selective Services, not automatic draft. That’s very different. This is actually helpful in keeping people out of prison or getting fined for not registering.

      But yes, this absolutely proves that they could automatically register people to vote with no designated party affiliation.

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        As a European I have always been confused when Americans talk about “voter registration”. The way it works in my country is you are legally required to register your residence with the government and that registration is automatically used to determine a voter registry (just filtering by age, citizenship and exclusion due to criminal convictions all of which is information already known to the government). I always just get a letter a few weeks before elections informing me where my polling place is.

        • jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
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          Well you see, in the United States, the way some politicians, specifically ones belonging to a certain very authoritarian political party manage to get elected is by making sure people don’t or can’t vote.

          This is often coupled with throwing a huge hissy fit about “voter fraud” which doesn’t actually exist on any remotely meaningful level.

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            Well, voting fraud is a thing in Russia. Stuffing when one person throws multiple ballots at once, carousel when one persion votes one multiple stations, dead souls(reference to Gogol) where dead or absent people vote and Venedictov’s box - when Sobyanin repeatedly claims that electronic voting results will come immidiately when voting ends, but don’t long after all physical stations reported results.

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              Comparing Russian elections to US elections may as well be comparing Vichy France elections to US elections. They are quite different beasts.

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                Maybe, but I am more familiar Russian elections. Personal experience.

                Also important note: election fraud != voting fraud. Voting fraud is just one type of election fraud. In Russia most widespread type of election fraud is not registering candidates.

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                  Registering candidates in the US doesn’t matter, I could run for president or any other office and no one would reject my application to be on the ballot, unless I didn’t have enough signatures.

                  I would be surprised if you’ve ever heard of Vermin Supreme, or any of the other third party candidates for US president, much less the lower offices.

                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme

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          Btw it’s insane to exclude people in a supposed democracy based on criminal convictions.

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              It seems that they exclude people wherever the commenter lives too.

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                Can exclude, not all of them do, I think it has to be a specific part of the sentence (ie not automatic) because some high court ruled that some years ago.

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                  Can exclude, not all of them do Who are “them”?

                  Who is excluding people where you live and why can they do that? Isn’t it handled centrally by a single governmental body?

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          In France you have to register to vote as well. It takes about a minute and you can do it online or at the town hall

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          Yep. Same. You just go get stamp in passport once, then you just go to voting station with passport. That’s it. Oh, also by default(when you get passport) you get stamp that you live where you lived during filing.

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    I might catch hate for this but I never understood why it wasn’t automatic the entire time since it’s illegal to not register.

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        Not any more at least. Prior to this bill, failing to register for Selective Services was a felony punishable by imprisonment for up to five years and/or a fine of not more than $250,000.

        Now you’re automatically enrolled. I think it’s actually better this way.

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          Eh, military service now is 8 years right? I’d take jail and file bankruptcy. At least you’ll be alive instead of cannon fodder, and it’s 3 years less.

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            We were always forced to register. The fine and imprisonment were penalties for avoiding registration. You’d be registered at the hearing as well as facing consequences.

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                if they draft it’s because cannon fodder is needed.

                That’s a big if, as you noted US hasn’t drafted in forever. But even if they did draft, the US hasn’t used “cannon fodder” tactics for several decades. Their technology is so advanced (and military budget/spending so high) they don’t need to in order to win. Trench warfare ain’t really a thing anymore.

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      Because there has not been a draft since the 70s, where automatic registration was not feasible.