• TheRealKuni@lemmy.world
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    It’s still treating Trump different than most.

    Of course it is.

    If it’s such a problem to put Trump in jail, why isn’t it for any random person?

    Because he is a former president of the United States who is currently running for re-election. This situation is unique in American history. As much as we may dislike these facts, they are true. The judge is in uncharted waters here, and needs to be careful to avoid anything that can be construed as evidence of bias against the defendant. This trial will be under scrutiny for as long as we have a country.

    It’s not fair that most defendants do not have the essentially limitless resources of the entire conservative political machine at their disposal to pay for their legal woes, but it is the reality of the situation.

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      The judge is in uncharted waters here, and needs to be careful to avoid anything that can be construed as evidence of bias against the defendant.

      And in so doing, hold a bias for the asshole.

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        The judge is biased on the side of Justice. Getting the case thrown out out of principle wouldn’t help anyone but Trump.

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          That’s bullshit and you know it.

          There are established rules and procedures. When you fudge them on one side, to avoid appearing biased to the other….

          That is itself bias. against your “side of justice”.

          This judge is afraid of Trump; and in his fear making a mockery of justice. You know it, I know it, and Trump knows it. Even the judge knows it.

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            Yeah so let’s treat him the same way as anyone else so he can use that as an excuse to stop the procedure against him, that will sure show him!

            Of all the cases where people want the judge to treat the accused the same way they would be treated in order to prove a point, this is probably the worst one.

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              That’s not how it works.

              You’re enabling Trump’s bullshit.

              It’s (stochastic) terrorism and you’re just like “but dude! It might not stick!”

              Wonder what you say when trump’s cultist kill off witnesses and jurors?

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                You’re enabling Trump’s bullshit.

                No, this random commenter on Lemmy is absolutely not enabling Trump’s bullshit. We’re just trying to explain the behavior of the judge, we have nothing to do with it.

                It’s (stichadtic) terrorism and you’re just like “but dude! It might not stick!”

                Stochastic terrorism is, obviously, what they’re trying to avoid with the gag order. The judge and his family are already victims, and he knows full well that the jury and witnesses are at risk. No offense intended, but I suspect he understands the situation he’s in better than you do.

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                So you would rather see him not face any consequences for the crime he has committed except for a weekend in jai, all out of principle?

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                  That’s not what would happen tho. The trial wouldn’t end if Trump is held I contempt.

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                    It would allow him to stall everything by opening the door to questioning the judge’s neutrality and missing would move forward before he got elected again.

                    You guys are wishing to see him held in contempt even if it means he probably won’t see any other jail time after that, I’m close to the point where I’ll start to think you’re on his side and just want to see him win.

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                  So you’re okay with terrorism.

                  Oh look, I can play that game too! The process is meant for the judge to be neutral. Any other position risks the validity of the trial.

                  Your argument flies in the face of justice.

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                    And in this specific case to be able to prove it wasn’t out of spite they have to be able to prove that Trump was given the opportunity to learn from his mistakes. They could send him to jail right away, all that would lead to is their neutrality being questioned and a high risk of the trial being pushed back to a later date or cancelled altogether and the judge could say “I was being neutral” all they wanted, the end result would be worse than if they just wait until they reach a point where their neutrality cannot be questioned.

                    So again, I will ask, would you rather see Trump spend a weekend in jail and the trial ending or would you rather see Trump being fined and the trial reaching its conclusion?

                    These are the choices we’re presented with right now, not the unicorn world you live in where Trump spends the weekend in jail after one offense and the trial then goes on as intended.

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        And in so doing, hold a bias for the asshole.

        Criminal court is intended to be biased towards the defendant. Hence the “beyond a reasonable doubt” burden of proof.

        (Obviously that bias is often not upheld properly, and plenty of people are railroaded by the system into unjust convictions.)

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          The court itself might be, but the judge isn’t supposed to be.

          They have procedures and guidelines, for everything involved here. Procedures and guidelines that aren’t supposed to take “ex president” into account.

          Judges aren’t supposed to allow anyone to intimidate, threaten or otherwise manipulate the witnesses or jury.

          Remember- the people of NY are one of the parties; and all parties are entitled to a fair trial.

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      I would make a terrible judge, because I don’t see how this is uncharted territory. Sure, it’s unprecedented, but that doesn’t mean we don’t know what to do.

      Our entire government is made up of citizens, that was the whole point in fighting a war to get rid of an unjust monarchy, ruling from afar.

      Trump is a citizen, if he broke the law he needs to go to jail. If he breaks the law during the trial, he should receive the same punishment as any other citizen would. Doing anything else just means we have a 2 tier justice system.

      The fact that he has fucked up 10 times and is still a free man is ridiculous. All the judge has done is show trump that he can do whatever he wants and face no repercussions. If you did something 10 times, and then someone gets mad the 11th, you wouldn’t say “sorry my bad” you’d say “why are you mad, I do this all the time”

      This country is a joke