Exactly, the run of the mill neolibs and neocons are the real issue. I don’t care how bad the far right might be I care about the fact that the neolibs and neocons are enslaving us now,

The right wing are poor, the richer liberals and even rich leftist will just hire security

What have I said that can even remotely be interpreted as right wing ?

If that is my goal, why am I doing it on fucking Lemmy ? A platform that is not used by many people.

I explained my goal in the post and I will restate it here.

I want my fellow leftist to not fall for the tricks of the bourgeois, I don’t want our movement to get derailed focusing on a far right bogyman instead of focusing on the clear and present threat of the parasitic capitalists class destroying our planet and keeping us down.

I have explained more as to why their “wins” were not cause for concern in other post, I have even addressed Trump, Bolsenaro and Brexit specifically

I also talk about the reproductive rights of women more broadly in other post.

I am not trolling, the point of a troll is to make people sad or angry. I fail to see how my post could possibly be interpreted as having that effect. What have I posted that could be interpreted as inflammatory ?

That goes against what every political movement in history did, which was to appear as strong and powerful as possible. This gives you more leverage in negotiations and brings people to your side through bandwagoning.

didn’t the republicans in America fucking hire actors to fill their crowds at CPAC ?

so the removal of bodily autonomy and forced birth is, what exactly?

not something the rich support, basically every big corporation supports abortion

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/companies-offering-abortion-travel-benefits-us-workers-2022-06-24/

I bring up Gen Z because they are the future of society, even their small vote was enough to turn the tide for Biden in 2020 and for the dems in 2022, the older generations that don’t support queer rights will be dead soon

Lastly you accusing me of supporting the great replacement is a low blow, I am Turkish for your information and I am not to fond of white people. How was anything I said wrong ? The white population is declining is objectively true and I think that’s a good thing. White people do kill themselves a lot again that is just true white males have the highest suicide. You appeal to history a lot, what happens when white people try to oppose their will on POCs ? If never ends well. Look at Hati,Zimbabwe,South Africa and Africa more broadly,Ataturk kicking the whites out of Turkey and the Russo Japanese war.

why would the rich oppose immigration ?

What does slave labor have to do with my point that fascist oppose immigration while the bourgeois supports it ?

Ok if I am a bot, someone had to program me. Why was I programed ? for what purpose ? ’

Also this is absurd on it’s face as no bot would post the way I do.

Are you saying I am a bigot against white people ? What group was I being bigoted against ?

Also White people being the majority of America is (for now) the truth. It’s just a fact no less disputable then vaccines don’t cause autism.

They won’t be for much longer but once again that is just the truth.

I hate Trump, because I hate America as a whole and all of it’s leaders. Trump was just another American leader nothing special. He robs his people to fund a genocidal military that only exist to prop up the imperial core for the bourgeois.

Also yes bad stuff has happened under Brexit mainly related to economy, but everyone say that immigration would be massively restricted. I saw some saying there would be genocides or large scale oppression of ethnic minorities in the UK. Not only has that not happened an ethnic minority currently rules the country.

I admit maybe Bolsenaro was worst then I gave him credit for. I am not knowledgeable about Brazilian politics but Lula DeSilva seems to be doing great for his people and it doesn’t sound like Lula has to play a lot of damage control for Bolsenaro’s actions.

Also what is racist about the image I posted ? It’s just a kid who happens to be black running from Alligators. I mention the kid’s race nowhere if he wasn’t black nothing would change about the image.

of course there are lol, it’s called slave labour, and it’s what fascism provides - the ultimate, end stage of capitalism.

You didn’t address my core point about the contradictions between liberalism and capitalism. You also didn’t address why the rich would be against immigration or why fascist would support it.

pride month (or the aspect of it you’re alluding to) is the perfect example of capitalists willing to do anything for a profit. The idea that capitalism favors queer people is beyond laughable.

I see people say this a lot. You never see billionaires pander to white people even though they are the majority of America, you never see big brands pander to Christians even though there are more Christians then LGBT people in America.

Also about population decline posing a threat for the capitalist future profits. One word

Immigration

Instead of trying to convince people to have kids you could easier bring people over on Visas. Kids take at least 18 years to become workers meanwhile an immigrant comes read to work. It would also mean you pay less taxes for schools.

You seem to imply the rich are trying to cut people’s access to contraception l do not think this is true.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/companies-offering-abortion-travel-benefits-us-workers-2022-06-24/

Look at all the companies that cover the cost of (or at least the travel cost of) abortions. Basically every big company is on the list.

I don’t think that will ever happen at least not in America and countries in America’s sphere of influence.

A lot of far right ideas are just to unpopular. Going back on feminism and having women be submissive ? That will never happen, LGBT rights ? 25% of Gen Z is queer they will never move that overtone window. Race ? White people are on the verge of extinction, they are losing bad. I think white people kill themselves more then they kill any minority. If they try anything rash they will just be hunted to extinction or kill themselves in shame.

I keep having people tell me about far right wins, I have one response

But what did that do though ?

You mentioned Trump, But what did that do though ? He lost in 2020 and didn’t become a dictator like everyone said he would, he didn’t deport anybody he didn’t build a wall he didn’t start any new wars.Nothing changed.

you mentioned Brexit, But what did that do though ? Immigration to the UK (which was the big issue that brexit supporters cared about) has only increased and the UK still follows the same EUCHR laws that stop them from turning away asylum seekers or deporting people to unsafe countries.

Bolsenaro ? But what did that do though ? He lost and has only made the Brazilian left more powerful.

I will rattle off some more examples of far right wins

The election of Giorgi Meloni in Italy, But what did that do though ? Immigration has only gone up and nothing has changed.

Gert Wilders In the Netherlands, But what did that do though ? Same story as Meloni immigration hasn’t changed, LGBT+ hasn’t changed nothing has changed.

The reason why nothing changed circles back to the point of this post. The reason nothing changed is because the elite capitalist don’t want anything to change. They don’t for example immigration to be reduced because it means less workers and less consumers. Trump,Bolsenaro,Wilders and Meloni don’t matter it is the Bourgeois that matter. They have all the power. Getting worked up over these “far right victories” is needless anguish as they mea nothing

The establishment doesn’t want fascism, at least not fascism as it was implemented in Germany,Italy and Spain. They want to maintain the status quo so they can continue extracting surplus value from the workers.

IIRC Jeff Bezos said that he bought the neolib Washington post for the soul purpose of opposing Trump and the rise of the far right.

There are just to many contradictions between what the fascist want and what the capitalist want.

I named a few above but I will name another. Immigration, fascist oppose immigration a long racial lines/lines of national identity and tradition. The Rich support immigration because it means more workers so they lower wages and it means more consumers to buy their product. From a capitalist perspective there are no downsides to immigration.

I disagree a little, a lot of what the far right advocates for are contradicted by the current capitalist structure that rules the world.

Tradition for one, a lot of traditions are simply incompatible with capitalism, for example you are technically not supposed to have your business open on Sundays if you are a Christian, but Christians have stopped doing this because if they just didn’t open on one day of the week they would get completed by the secular business that did.

Having a woman stay home and support the family, having women not work makes no sense from the perspective of the capitalist class

Having children to begin with in a capitalist system having kids makes no sense, they cost so much money to raise and you won’t be able to see them because you have to work for your rich overlords

the far right wants to purge LGBT+ people, LGBT+ are over represented among the capitalist class and even the ones who are not LGBT+ still support the movement just look at pride month