The second point, I don’t really mind. If you cause your department to be viewed with hatred, you’re responsible for your “brothers” dying. If they want to avoid this they should try to rehabilitate their image. Until then, they should view everything they do as effecting all of their fellow officers.
Blame is usually reserved for those actively contributing to the problem. There are several words for not doing anything to solve a problem, but blame doesn’t really fit.
And how would you know if I was or was not actively doing something. That’s kind of my point. If you blame someone for something just by association, and don’t even try to find out if they are trying to solve the problem… I am not in favor of that.
Afterall, a person can’t actively work to solve every problem that people who they are associated with cause. So you would be to blame for the mexican drug cartels killing people because you aren’t actively working to solve that problem, but people from your country surely do drugs which is why the cartels exist and kill people.
Trust me that will always be part of your person in the eyes if others and has been for quite some time now.
It took decades for Germans to not be immediately seen as Nazis in other European countries even when the Germans were obviously born after WW2. And to this day one of the first things you get to hear is something related to WW2, today mostly by non-europeans.
I don’t want them to blame me, but I also will not hold it against them if they do. It’ll be understandable, but maybe not perfectly accurate.
However, these officers are in a different situation than that. They’re choosing to work as cops and with the person who caused this. I’m sure they’d fight to protect them if it comes to it, so if they get part of the punishment that’s fine. They need to learn they can’t do what they’re doing, and they aren’t going to learn by us asking nicely. They need to face consequences of some form, and the legal system isn’t handling it.
What that sounds like is that you are okay with collateral damage. But where does that stop? Are you ok with the killing of thier spouse because they chose to marry someone who became a cop? What about thier kids? Cousins? Neighbors? People who live in the same apartment complex?
Where do you draw the line? And why?
A very solid line against anyone who didn’t choose it. Spouse? Probably not, but it’s in the blurry area. Are they encouraging them to be evil? I’d rather none of it happen, including the cops killing people. If they are, it’d be good if they faced consequences, so they couldn’t do it freely. Those first two aren’t happening though, so something else needs to. The only way they stop at this point is if they’re afraid to murder people. Again, preferably this is done through the legal process, but that isn’t happening.
The second point, I don’t really mind. If you cause your department to be viewed with hatred, you’re responsible for your “brothers” dying. If they want to avoid this they should try to rehabilitate their image. Until then, they should view everything they do as effecting all of their fellow officers.
I dunno. I’m American, and I sure don’t want the world blaming me for what trump is doing. But I do share your frustration in general.
Then I guess you should probably be actively doing something about that problem shouldn’t you?
So long as you aren’t that blame isn’t really misplaced is it?
Blame is usually reserved for those actively contributing to the problem. There are several words for not doing anything to solve a problem, but blame doesn’t really fit. And how would you know if I was or was not actively doing something. That’s kind of my point. If you blame someone for something just by association, and don’t even try to find out if they are trying to solve the problem… I am not in favor of that. Afterall, a person can’t actively work to solve every problem that people who they are associated with cause. So you would be to blame for the mexican drug cartels killing people because you aren’t actively working to solve that problem, but people from your country surely do drugs which is why the cartels exist and kill people.
Trust me that will always be part of your person in the eyes if others and has been for quite some time now.
It took decades for Germans to not be immediately seen as Nazis in other European countries even when the Germans were obviously born after WW2. And to this day one of the first things you get to hear is something related to WW2, today mostly by non-europeans.
I don’t want them to blame me, but I also will not hold it against them if they do. It’ll be understandable, but maybe not perfectly accurate.
However, these officers are in a different situation than that. They’re choosing to work as cops and with the person who caused this. I’m sure they’d fight to protect them if it comes to it, so if they get part of the punishment that’s fine. They need to learn they can’t do what they’re doing, and they aren’t going to learn by us asking nicely. They need to face consequences of some form, and the legal system isn’t handling it.
What that sounds like is that you are okay with collateral damage. But where does that stop? Are you ok with the killing of thier spouse because they chose to marry someone who became a cop? What about thier kids? Cousins? Neighbors? People who live in the same apartment complex? Where do you draw the line? And why?
A very solid line against anyone who didn’t choose it. Spouse? Probably not, but it’s in the blurry area. Are they encouraging them to be evil? I’d rather none of it happen, including the cops killing people. If they are, it’d be good if they faced consequences, so they couldn’t do it freely. Those first two aren’t happening though, so something else needs to. The only way they stop at this point is if they’re afraid to murder people. Again, preferably this is done through the legal process, but that isn’t happening.