Inside Gaza, cut off from the world by a near total blockade, Israeli airstrikes have decimated entire neighborhoods, leveling homes, schools and mosques. CNN drone footage from Monday showed the level of destruction across parts of the strip, with whole streets flattened in the al-Rimal neighborhood in Gaza City and a row of destroyed buildings known as al-Zahra towers in central Gaza.
Save the Children said Monday that over 1 million children are “trapped” in Gaza with no safe place to go and warned of the devastating impacts of lacking medication and electricity to power vital health infrastructure in the enclave.
“At least 2,000 children have been killed in Gaza over the past 17 days, and a further 27 killed in the West Bank,” the aid agency said on Monday.
“We call on all parties to take immediate steps to protect the lives of children, and on the international community to support those efforts,” Save the Children said, adding that Israeli airstrikes are “killing and injuring children indiscriminately.”
The majority of Gaza’s residents are literally children…
It’s insanely fucked up that isn’t brought up enough, Israels government wants everyone to believe theyre monsters, but they’re kids who have lived short brutal lives because of how Israel treats Gaza.
It’s safe to assume roughly half of everyone killed in Gaza is under 18.
It’s almost like Israel’s plan is to radicalise Palestinian youths, so more and more grow up to be terrorists with each generation, and they can use the shock doctrine after each attack to kill 10-100x more people, and steal more land, then rinse and repeat until there is no Palestine… Basically genocide with extra steps.
What’s fucked up is there’s a ridiculously easy fix.
If US and other western goverments told Israel if they seize any land, we stop giving them billions of dollars a year, Israel would stop annexing land. Which would likely mean they stop instigating Hamas. They’d have nothing to gain anymore. They’d finally have motivation for the conflict to end.
They’re fine starting wars right now, because they have so much money to burn on “defense” and they know if any actual countries try to help Palestine, then Israel can (and will) drag the West into it and start WW3.
Even if Palestine is completely erased from the map, there’s no reason to think Israel will stop. There’s a very good chance they just start doing this to another neighbor next. Which is why literally all of Israels neighbors hate them.
What is even more fucked up is that USA has zero interest in “fixing” the Middle East.
It should be obvious by now that the only interest USA has in the Middle East is the hoarding of resources.
They want the Middle East to be destabilized so they can continue hoarding wealth. It’s the whole reason they prop up Israel so the fighting and wars continue.
There are no ethics here.
Not just the US. All the players have agreed on this, including all the Arab countries and Isralei hardliners and Hamas (who are the closest of partners) and US and Europe, etc.
Don’t kid yourself that it’s just the US.
You’re forgetting that a lot of people in the West want WW3.
Fundamentalist Christians making the Apocalypse, Military Industry making money. etc.
But the hate you’re wrong about. The hate goes back 4,000 years.
Mark my words, in 50 years, it will be Jordan, Egypt or Lebanon. Maybe even all three. Once the Palestinian genocide is completed they will start to push boundaries in the name of safety and national security. With US support there’s nothing stopping them as long as Zionists stay in power and move slow enough, they only have to kill more people than the population replacement rate. And in a century or two they won’t even have to pretend and just straight up annex their neighbors. A million things can happen within here and there, but it’s crazy to think that this strategy was devised in the XIX century and it seems to be working.
You do realize those countries have attacked and attempted to destroy Isreal before? Have you ever studied any history?
Yes, I have, and yes I’m aware. What’s your point?
Or imagine if any of the Arab countries were willing to take refugees and not force them to stay there like they have for decades? It’s a huge benefit and asset to them to have people they can pretend to care about but have never done shit to help.
There’s truths and lack of understanding in your comment. Israel doesn’t want that land. They left that land. They don’t settle in that land. It has nothing to do with why hamas hates them. Israel has settlements in the West Bank and I agree that the USA should hold Israel responsible for not expanding settlements there but the issues with Gaza and Hamas are very different than the issues in the West Bank.
Hamas just wants to kill Israelis no matter the cost. Hamas is mostly a Gaza thing. Not a West Bank thing. NO peace is possible between two parties when one continually shows the desire to eradicate the other. Israel doesn’t want to erase Gaza (or at least hasn’t in the past). They have the ability to and could have done it whenever they wanted. They actively put effort to not eradicate them. They may not treat Gaza well but it’s obvious they aren’t trying to kill them by the fact that they are still there.
”they may not treat Gaza well” Understatement of the century “But it’s obvious they aren’t trying to kill them” But they are…
Using this same logic, Hamas must not want Israel gone; because they are still there
……no. I think it’s pretty clear which side has the ability to decimate the other
Hamas and Netanyahu are partners and have always been. Neither wants peace. If they did, then Hamas would not have used the suicide bombings and bus bombings to get Netanyahu elected by less than 1%.
And had that happen, Perez would have won, and chances of a 2 state were extremely high (befoee Arafat walked away).
So yes, Hamas put Netanyahu in power, and he has ensured they stay in power. Otherwise, it’s highly probably there’d be a two state solution from the Oslo accords in place now.
People who have the right to defend themselves:
West Bank Palestinians being ethnic cleansed from their homes by far-right Jewish settlers and the Israeli army? ❌
Isreal when it deliberately starves 2.3 million people? ✅
Let us not also forget Hamas has stockpiled fuel and is not giving it to those in need.
Nobody is forgetting mate.
Please provide proof.
That’s a picture of tanks, how do u know they’re full? A random picture posted on Twitter isn’t a valid source.
UNRWA took back that accusation. Any other source?
Im gonna push back a bit on this. Hamas has a history of kidnapping and threatening UNRWA for speaking ill of them. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/middle-east-watch/how-hamas-took-unrwa-hostage-187110
Not to mention that the “clarification” tweet they made walking back the claim was incredibly strange https://twitter.com/UNRWA/status/1713950145618841820
“With regards to reports on social media of looting of an UNRWA warehouse…” What do you mean by “reports on social media”??? That was you fam???
Considering UNRWA’s history with violent threats and attacks from Hamas for talking poorly of them, I have strong reason to believe that their walk back was done under duress.
Zionism is religious nationalism.
They can all burn in hell.
*religious zionism
Zionism is literally just nationalism for the jewish people. The fact that it has a religious brother is because the world decided that a race and a religion are linked. Do all jews want to be jews? No. Can they stop? No. Do all Israelis support religious zionism (which means taking land)? No. Even most of them don’t. Their government and politics are just so fucked up that we have a result of religious zionists running the state. Let’s pray that after this war they’ll get their shit together.
Wrong. Zionism is the belief that Jewish people belong in the land of Israel.
And again, that’s just nationalism. The jewish people (not religion) believe they need to have a home in Israel, and nowhere in zionism are settlements of west bank/gaza are mentioned. That’s religious zionism, which says the complete whole land of Israel should belong to the Jewish people. Zionism is the 48 border, religious zionism is the 67 border.
Sorry, you’re completely wrong and trying to change the meaning of words because you don’t like what they mean.
I see it all the time. Unfortunately, even saying something as objectively true and self-evident as “Zionism is religious nationalism” doesn’t sit well with zionists. That’s how much you people are trying to change the narrative, lol.
Glad you’re losing control, though. Gonna block you now.
How did you imagine me in your head when you typed “glad you’re losing control”? What does that even mean?
Anyway, blocking someone over so little shows either a) you just can’t handle disagreements in life or b) the internet has spoiled you, blocking anyone who disagrees with you being so easy.
In both cases, that’s a bad thing. Have fun spreading hate.
Your one sided condemnation of war crimes is noted and undermines the value of your opinion severely.
Definitely fuck Israeli war crimes, definitely fuck Hamas ones, or maybe even the constant ones across the world that you don’t care about like in African countries, or Haiti, etc.
fuck slave holders" “Your failure to condemn nat turner undermines the value of your opinion”
Yeah what Hamas did was awful and horrific, I agree. But it’s not fair to expect everyone to always go around condemning them in discussions of Israeli war crimes.
If you were in the US and OPEC decided it was no longer selling gas to the USA. And China was like, you deserve it because those White Power Nazis are trying to overthrow the government.
And the punishment for this was killing 5% of all USA babies.
Not only would you lose your minds. You’d think there was no justice in the world.
#Welcome to the Arab Parallel Universe:
“500 Kids with cute cats killed at a hospital at Gaza by evil Israel bomb!”
“But the terrorists already confessed it was their own rocket short firing?”
“Oops, ok, then nobody was killed and the handful of slightly wounded have already left the hospital. They were also ugly and noone liked them.”
Some countries just cannot behave.
Israel is more of a colony than a country.
For those wondering, this 2000 figure comes from… The Gaza ministry of health (specifically, a nonprofit citing the ministry of health), notable for fabricating a hospital bombing just last week where supposedly 500-870 people died (which is also turning out to almost certainly be a lie)
The Gaza ministry of health (specifically, a nonprofit citing the ministry of health), notable for fabricating a hospital bombing just last week where supposedly 500-870 people died (which is also turning out to almost certainly be a lie)
What? While the number of casualties is certainly dubious, the bombing was not fabricated. There were many families taking “shelter” (if you can call it that) in the hospital’s parking lot.
Wasn’t it a failed rocket by a separate terrorist group?
I thought the initial claims by Israel was that Hamas bombed their own (on purpose) while Hamas blamed Israel initially. Or did I get my info wrong?
The reports indicate the rocket was launched by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a more extremist group seperate from Hamas, but who’s basically Hamas with much less power and effectiveness (they fail a lot). It’s true that Hamas blamed Israel, and that Israel showed satellite images indicating it’s a failed rocket from PIJ. Photos also show that it mainly hurt the parking lot (and without a crater, typical of Israeli ammunition) which means for 500 to be dead, there’d need to be a lot of people in that parking lot for some reason.
Basically Hamas lied. But they’re a terrorist organization, every chance of shock and terror is a win for them.
Reports (Doppler sound analysis and crater analysis) show that it came from the direction of Israel. There isn’t any video of a rocket turning around so idk how it could have been a pij rocket.
Both sides are doing a lot of lying tho, we need an independent investigation on the ground there to really figure out what happened, but Israel opposed that.
Uh can you cite any of that “Doppler sound analysis and crater analysis”? Because from what I’ve seen so far, the damage, crater, and footage are all wildly inconsistent with an Israeli munition, and it’s a known fact that this point that militants were firing rockets nearby.
Here’s the Doppler analysis: https://twitter.com/earshot_ngo/status/1715381907230232929?t=ThRPeh4fxC8c_uIbLJAWNQ&s=19
Here’s the crater analysis: https://twitter.com/ForensicArchi/status/1715422498852843574?t=wRAbOY1NPlRu4fx5gJ_Qzg&s=19
And the rocket thing doesn’t make any sense, the rocket would have had to turn 180 degrees in the air in order to line up with the direction, and we don’t see that in any videos. On top of that, the New York times did an analysis of the footage Israel presented and showed that they were lying about the rocket, it didn’t get intercepted/malfunction over the hospital. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-video.html?smid=url-share
So what we know is that the projectile came from Israels direction, the crater lines up with either a rocket or an artillery shell. We also know that Israel initially claimed the attack before deleting those messages, and most of the evidence they’ve presented has been proven to be lies. It’s not definitely Israel, but circumstantial evidence points towards them.
It so fucking hilarious that people still believe every word they say. They hate Israel more than they care about spreading terrorist propaganda
There’s a lot of bots out there downvoting truth and reason. And if you think it’s bad on this issue, wait till the US election. We are all fucked.
I’m glad that this is only online and that none of these people are real. Still the misinformation is frustrating
All Hamas have to do is free all the hostages.
All Israel has to do is allow more than 34 trucks to cross the border from Egypt.
Oh so if they allow trucks the fighting stop? Oh please. Hamas hasn’t stopped launching rockets since day 1. And if you think their preparation ended in a day, you’re terribly mistaken. There’s no chance for peace in the region now.
Lol you think Bibi is going to let the rapes and killings slide?
deleted by creator
perhaps hamas should have considered this before attacking and killing a bunch of innocent people, then capturing a bunch of others…
And what about the children killed, is this their fault too?
Are they brown? Yes.
Are they white? No.
Go to reddit and you’ll see the modern JIDF in full force. They’re actually claiming and having top-voted comments (>1000 upvotes) where they say all Gazans are terrorists.
I’ve seen some of the discussion on there and it makes me feel sick. People talk about Gazan children as if they aren’t humans.
People do that across this conflict since it became trendy again to focus on, on the 7th. There’s people on both sides ignoring the civilian tolls and dismissing them for one reason or another. The amount of “this was horrible… BUT” both there and here on Lemmy is deeply disturbing, and stomach churning.
This holy shit yes. Reddit is a clusterfuck. I hold Netanyahu and Gaza’s elected representatives, Hamas, both accountable. I deeply condemn both of their past, present, and future war crimes. I am so old enough to know that Netanyahu and Hamas have always been partners.
But more importantly, although we may disagree on the conflict, we do NOT disagree that Reddit is a clusterfuck disaster. I fight the pro Hamas propaganda here on Lemmy because I still care about Lemmy. I happily soak up the downvotes from all these kids who have no knowledge of the conflict snd the anti-semites both.
But the pro Netanyahu/hardliners shit on reddit is fucking pointless to fight it’s a shitshow and nobody should look to Reddit for anything on this conflict. For this conflict I just consider it an illegitimate news source completely.
all of them? no - but there’s only one surefire way to tell
Hamas wanted dead Palestinians as an outcome of their actions. So it is partially their fault.
That isn’t what I’m asking. Did the children deserve this? Are they to blame?
No civilians ask or deserve to be dead. Not these children, not the ones slaughtered by Hamas on the 7th, not the teenagers dying, not the adults. Targeting civilians is literally a war crime.
100% agree.
No, of course the children are not to blame. Why even ask that? I thought you were asking if Hamas was to blame, as that’s what the context of OP was, and the children were obviously blameless.
What is the purpose of saying “Hamas should have thought about that”? It’s apportioning blame to the victims, who are children.
Hamas thought about it because it’s part of their objectives. They want this reaction from Israel. They are not fools. I don’t think many children are in Hamas, so I don’t get your point.
If this was intentional by Hamas then the original comment is pointless.
Look at you blaming the sins of the fathers on babies. How Christ-like you are.
sorry pops, not a jesus freak
Perhaps Israel should have thought about this before blockading Gaza for almost 20 years.
Hamas stated they were prepared for any possible response by Israel, so yeah
10% of the preparation is going to be ambushes and booby traps. 90% of the preparation is recruitment drives.
