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Interested to see what they mean by bad behavior? Also, what a terrible, dumb decision. Beehaw always seemed like it was ran by uptight former big subreddit mods.
I see several comments talking about this being a wrong decision, or Beehaw needing to change its attitude etc. I think these opinions come from a misunderstanding of the fundamentals of federation. Federation is not about all the instances coming together to cater to our needs. It’s about each instance doing its own thing, and communities will form around the ones that cater to them. In other words, we don’t need Beehaw to budge on its decision, we need to build the community we want without Beehaw, while Beehaw caters to the users who aren’t in this with us.
Seems like beehaw is doing everything they can to isolate themselves from the community. They seem to have good intentions but they are way too uptight.
This link was missing from this thread: How the beehaw defederation affects us
Oh well, I was subbed into a couple beehaw communities but wasn’t really active in them anyways.
So what does defederation mean in practice? I can still see communities on beehaw im subbed to. Is it just that I won’t see new ones? Or that I can’t search/comment on them?
Ok so Lemmy instances can decide to disconnect from other instances.
We have instance A, instance B and instance C
initially all 3 are interconnected or “federated with each other” - any member of any instance can see the communities and users from any other instance.
Suddenly something happens that makes instance A defederate with instance B
So now instance A cannot see and participate with the communities and users of B and vice versa. However instance C can see and participate in the communities of Both
So in terms of beehaw vs lemmy.world I would be on instance 3 - I can see and participate both, their defederation from each other doesn’t affect you, it only affects the users of beehaw or Lemmy.world
EDIT:
I just realised your in lemmy.world. huh weird… Maybe it takes a while for the defederation to settle, or maybe it makes it a one way communication.
EDIT2 I might be wrong, see this post
[email protected]/t/22361/-/comment/96933
Can’t open that link, I don’t have Kbin.
Shoot, I kinda liked their Technology and News communities to keep up to date. Those were active enough. I like the whole decentralized nature of Lemmy, but this shows that it is really important to join an instance where you will be the most active on. Sure you can have multiple accounts for each instance, but that is a pain in the ass. Unsubscribed from the Beehaw communities for now.
kind of disappointing to see, considering they had some very large communities across the feddiverse.
If they were trying to do something like tildes with the small, curated user base, they probably shouldn’t have federated at all. this is just going to hold community growth back for the other instances
Let them do it, they’ll be forgotten soon. They pulled that off with lemmygrad first citing hardcore communism as a reason, mmkay it’s understandable, and now they’re doing it with lemmy.world because… federation turned out to be something they didn’t really want? The moderation excuse is very weak, many would have volunteered to help the moderation scale.
The communities here and on lemmy.ml are cool. You can also find others on lemmyverse.net.
Mod heavy people always talk about this supposedly huge influx of trolls, toxicity, spam that they have to moderate, but I just don’t see it. I’m not sure that I have seen even a single post that obviously needed to be moderated this week. Maybe I’m just not looking in the right communities?
There are a few other commenters on this post that mention seeing mass spamming of slurs and a meme about killing drag performers. I see no reason to doubt the explanation given by the mods. Of course trolls would target beehaw, because that community made such a big deal of being nice and positive. It’s just a shitty situation all around.
If more instances had down voting, we could self moderate in that way.
So i guess that this solves the big problem short term. The influx has been the first growing pain. But long term it does nothing. They will get caught defederating from smaller instances over and over. Anyone that jumps in from smaller instances will be able to carry on, at least how i understand it. The cream will rise to the top eventually, but such a strong declaration so early isnt a good sign. If the mods from any large instance decide that “this is too much, ban them” is the best response, the lemmy community is destined to be a fractured mess, rather than a reddit killer or a reddit refugee state.
I guess, imo, i get it. 100% understand from a moderation point of view. But im frustrated that there is this big of a fold the first week of real volume. The cesspool will exist in any instance. But going thermobaric this early leads to nukes next week. And it may be a sign of why a strong corporate arm and direction, as much as we hate it, is currently the winning scenario. Unfederated control is powerful. The hydra has been unleashed, but for each head you cut off, three more appear.
Reddit refugees are already fracturing between Tildes, Squabbles.io, Lemmy etc.
IDK, the creator of that instance just started it as a little side project. I don’t get the sense they ever really expected for it to blow up or were trying to make it a “main instance”.
If anything this is just a reminder that instances aren’t nodes in the same service. They will all have their own culture, goals and philosophy.
Is there a summary somewhere of each instance’s “reputations”? Most descriptions I see are just things like “A place for everyone”. It’s kind of frustrating that new users are told to join any server, because it’s all federated, and then go oops sorry you joined the Nazi server, sucks for you.
this sucks, specially as someone that was ghosted (assume denied) on beehaw signup, I’m glad that instances such as lemmy.world exist where I have the chance to post before assuming I’m an undesirable.
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Same here. But I found sdf which seems super cool. Maybe I’ll actually learn more than five vim commands now
@plumbercraic @lemmyworld But can you exit vim? That’s the real question😁
Sure thing - ctrl a, c, PS l grep vim, kill - 9 pid
Or something 🙃
[esc]: !sudo kill -9 $(pgrep vim)
Huh. Didnt know about pgrep
You just summed up my last 30 years of Linux. To be completely honest I knew vaguely of it but I’ve never used it before. My first inclination was to use killall, but something about its force command isn’t quite -9 and it refused to terminate the parent application.
All the generic subs like news and technology were there. This is nuts. Glad it happened now. That server of snowflakes needs to not be promoted.
And reading through them it looks like they took the bulk of the most judgmental reddit users. Good riddance, I say. Let them echo-chamber themselves into oblivion, we’ll build our own communities with blackjack and hookers!
The moment I jumped ship from there was when someone made an erection joke in response to Trump being indicted again, and the replies were all admonishing about how it’s insensitive toward people who are uncomfortable with sex.
Beehaw leadership really seem hellbent on isolating Beehaw from the entire rest of the fediverse.
In the information thread over on beehaw the moderators specifically state that their ideal is a system wherein they can see and interact with other instances content while disallowing outsiders to see and interact with their content. I actually think under a system where users of other instances can apply to be allowed on beehaw this is a pretty significant gain of function for the threadiverse.
Urgh, but that’s gross and power-trippy.
Isn’t it true though that to create a ‘safe space’ they have to either moderate intensely or decrease the amount of outside users? I’m conflicted too but I think the desire for a safe space is fair and I don’t see another way to get there.
You have to do the former, regardless of if you do the latter.
The issue I have is that it isn’t really compatible with the idea of having a big social media network. If they wanted to make a “safe space”, well, doing that via Lemmy – or any federated platform – wasn’t the right choice.
It’d be like trying to make a “safe space” on Reddit. The idea just doesn’t make sense. It’s too inherently open, too public, for that to be viable.
Has anyone created replacements for the major Beehaw communities yet?
kbin.social just federated, and the Beehaw communities that I was subscribed to had equivalents there.