“There are surely some content moderators that haven't suffered mental health problems connected to the job, but I haven't met them,” says sociologist and computer scientist Milagros Miceli, who has studied the content moderation industry for the past six years. “I have no doubt that content moderation, like coal mining, is a hazardous job.” Coal mining, known for the proliferation of ‘black lung disease', is a classic example of a hazardous job, but there are only approximately 200,000 coal (…)
Mental healthcare is one of the most neglected forms of care in current modern western society. It IS and always HAS BEEN a serious and damaging form of disease.
What it isn’t is comparable to black lung or COPD in content moderation teams. The exaggeration by hacks like Miceli, to justify her grift and the continued funneling of grants towards her dubious work at TUB does more disservice for the cause than helps. It creates a situation of Peter and the Wolf and makes access to care extremely complicated to people who are suffering from mental illness, with severe social and personal consequences.
Then how can you say mental health is “one of the most neglected forms of care”, then go on to neglect the mental health concerns brought up by the article by minimizing it to a single comparison made in the first paragraph?
We can all agree that content moderation is incredibly harmful, and if we want to support mental health care, that should be the focus of discussion.
Bro, don’t just google shit about scholars you have no clue about and make up fake accusations. She’s not doing research at TU Berlin, she’s just a lecturer there. She’s one of the most famous scholars in this field and she’s associated more strongly with DAIR, which is a thousand times more relevant in this discourse than TU, and DiPLab in Paris.
You clearly just googled her name, checked where she works, and made up some shit.
I just mentioned the affiliation of her published work and the several works cited as funded by the federal ministry of education and research… If anything you’re actually strengthening my point, this type of exaggeration is a charm operation rather than a call for corrective measures.
Edit: TIL that DAIR, is more relevant than TUB… Ok, I guess, to each their own. Love the exceptionalism of comparing a centennial research university to a 2021 US american initiative.
Grifters gonna grift.
you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. The federal funding goes to Weizenbaum Institute, that is another very big institution in techno politics and other fields of research. You keep googling shit up.
Funny, it does transpire you’re the one googling, otherwise you’d know that the research at Weizenbaum doesn’t exist in a vacuum and can’t confer degrees, that’s why it partnered with universities (much like institutions like the HZI). This charm operation from researchers like the aforementioned one is happening because 2025 is the renovation year for the 5year funding of the Weisenbaum, so it’s time to exaggerate the problems since if the trend continues the funding will be even lower this year. (50M in 2017, 36 in 2022) Clearly, you’re out of your depth when concerning how public research is conducted and more importantly, funded.
So you understand the theory but are ignoring the practical applications? Cool cool cool.
What the hell is wrong with lemmy.world, is everyone here illiterate. Is it a US american node or something that people lack basic reading comprehension?
So what’s your point? Moderation isn’t hazardous or that it is not as dangerous as coal mining? I can understand if it is the later but it would be foolish to claim the first.
That it’s significantly less hazardous than coal mining and comparing it so doesn’t do the discussion the problem needs any favours.
The researcher in question is part of an institution that is negotiating a 5y research tender renovation so they are just going with stupid shit like this.
So you don’t think having a mental illness or malady can detrimentally affect the physical wellbeing of the person with the malady despite multiple studies that say otherwise. Good to know.
The fact you need to misrepresent my argument to have a leg to stand on already tells any reader what they need to know about the value of your premises.
Your arguments from the beginning were ad hominem and red herring, not an actual substantive justification to the comparison of mental illness of moderation teams vs illness of coal miners.
There’s some low hanging fruit solutions to this issue. Forbid content moderation work to be subcontracted from BPOs, all moderation work in the GDPR area must be conducted by people with local passports. Include mandatory whistleblower clauses and require medical examinations yearly before people can be hired for this work. Limit the usage of KPIs for moderation work.
Of course, nobody will enact any of this low hanging fruit because it’s easier to exploit migrants. But let’s keep listening to grifters comparing moderation with coal miners, that’s really going to jive well.
No, its you that are downplaying the effects of mental health
Why is it that mental health issues are treated less severely than physical health issues? You can be deeply affected, and even die, due to them either way
They both can ruin lives
Oh ffs, grow up. Nobody is downplaying the effects of mental health, just asking people to be reasonable. That’s, however, anno 2025, too much to ask. Everyone exists in hyperbole and asinine takes.
PTSD is eminently treatable and manageable. It doesn’t naturally degenerate, it sucks but you can live till you’re old. Black lung, COPD are chronic, degenerative diseases that will eventually make you gasp for air till you die while your loved ones look on without being able to do anything.
This is beyond stupid, I don’t know when we, as a civilisation, reached a point where people can’t understand shades of grey anymore and live in absolutes only.
Unless you kill yourself, because you know, that happens a lot in untreated mental illness
Or even more “minor” stuff like not taking care of your own health, pushing away everyone you know and love, or even maybe want them to hate you so that they won’t get hurt when you do finally do something
You are downplaying mental illness, whether you admit to it or not. Our brain is the core of our being, why do you not take it as seriously as the rest of our body?
COPD is the fourth leading cause of death worldwide. That’s the entire universe of people in the world.
I guess WHO also downplays mental health because their take is actually quite similar to my take, you know, the only responsible adult in this thread…
I don’t know why I’m even bothering to entertain this conversation. Good day.
You are arguing with literal children. Of course they’re going to have ridiculous, childish takes.
LOL, give it up. Lemmy is full of kids who have never had a physically challenging job in their fucking life.
“I saw bad things!”
Is no way comparable to:
“I’ve blown out my back and knees, can barely stand up in the morning and can’t make a fist.”
And for those bitching about the first two items, 19 of 20 of them are, and have always been, fat fucks.
Anyways, looks like GenZ is about to get hard as fuck in the next few years when they see what real suffering is.
That’s why we should abolish mental health care for soldiers. They’re not physically disabled. Shell shock is just mental weakness, compared to their disabled comrades (!)