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      $150/hr in pay and benefits tho.

      Edit: Wow, so many downvotes when I’m just providing some context I read. For what it’s worth I support the strike but the decision should be informed as much as possible. I left Reddit to get away from this toxicity.

      “The automakers have said the UAW demands could hike the current mid-$60-per-hour labor cost to more than $150 an hour.”

      https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/uaw-automakers-resume-labor-talks-stellantis-hikes-wage-offer-2023-09-16/

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        Combining pay with benefits as a single dollar amount is gibberish.

        Why don’t you list the actual hourly wage they’re asking for?

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            The automakers combine benefits with wages to make the number seem much larger than it actually is, so the workers sound greedy.

            Their current wages are around $20/hr. Calling that “$60/hr with benefits” is beyond misleading , it’s fucking disgusting. You can’t pay rent with benefits, fuck off.

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              Why are you so rude? Be civil and have a discussion.

              Now, what is the new hourly wage component of that $150/hr. You must know, right?

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                Don’t tone police me honey 🙄 when you side with the bosses you become my enemy. Don’t be surprised when I treat you like one.

                The demand is to increase the top hourly rate to $47 per hour - so use that number, not the numbers fed to you by the industry. That’s what wages should be if they had kept up with productivity and inflation over the past several decades.

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                  I’ll tone police you as much as I please if you’re disrepectful, honey. You lump everyone with the enemy if they provide different perspectives? I make a small fraction of what these workers make and I simply have questions. That makes me the enemy? What a close-minded view of the world you have. What if plants close and people make $0/hour? Because people listened to those like you who stifle diversity of thought?

                  Thanks for that info on $47/hour. That makes $103 in benefits.

                  Now, how much of that is retirement plans and pensions? Make sure you tell the workers they can’t use that money for rent though, like you suggested.

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                    Then I’ll tell you to fuck off and eat my ass as much as I want you fucking class traitor. If you act like an enemy you get treated like one.

                    Why the fuck are you trying to nickle-and-dime the workers? What’s wrong with you?

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            Continuing to post the exact same article, and parrot the same talking point, isn’t exactly painting you in a good light. If you want discussion, try moving forward with it.

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              I agree and am trying, but I am being inundated with name-calling and foul language. I’m just one person.

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                Sure, but in order to change the narrative, you need to move forward, saying the same thing over and over will result in the same responses, and get you where you are. I personally disagree with your points, but if you raise them in good faith, then you deserve to be heard. The key is “in good faith”, if you’re unwilling to accept you may be wrong, how can you expect others to?

                Discussion is difficult on lemmy, but the only way to make it better is to keep trying.

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              Keep pushing and the jobs get relocated completely. This latest push is the union signing the death warrant for the area.

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                Relocated to where? You know they would have to build a new factory and train new employees, right? Who’s going to make all the cars until then?

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                  General Motors currently operates 4 production facilities in Mexico, as does Ford.

                  Stellantis has 7.

                  You’re right, it’ll take some time to shift completely, but this sort of push by the union is the kind of catalyst that can light a fire under execs to get it done.

                  What’s cheaper, what the union is asking for or the cost of moving production? When those lines cross on the graph, the union is fucked.

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                    So somehow they’ll be able to ramp up production in those plants to match or even come near the output of American plants in addition to what they already make?

                    Why aren’t they already doing that?

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                I agree, that is what the oligarchy will try to do, so sending key manufacturing jobs overseas should be illegal and punished with seizure of assets and ownership of the plants redistributed to the workers.

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        If it were enough, they wouldn’t be striking. Or do you presume to know their circumstances? Surely you’d never think the 10 minutes you spent looking up sources gives you better insight than the voting body of the union members who are wagering their lives on this, right?

        Frankly, since you are probably an empathetic, thinking individual, im confused how you came to the conclusion to share a thought so comparitively shallow.

        EDIT: if people take the time to look at his history, he had none before this thread. His aim is to troll, so block him and move on with your lives

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        And?

        You should celebrate average people getting paid more, not complaining about it

        We don’t need CEOs who do basically nothing getting paid tens/hundreds of millions a year

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        These auto makers made $32 billion in profit last year! Just stop. UAW isn’t asking for anything outrageous

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            Past performance? What about the past concessions UAM made to keep the doors open for the manufacturers during the great recession? Those companies promised to return them but never did?

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              Sure, they may have made those promises but the bottom line is the botton line. They can’t just summon cash. Sure, cut the CEO pay and pay them more, but the future is a few more years than the pandemic lasted.

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                The bottom line is this workers made the company record money. Bottom line is the CEOs, executives, and stake holders have themselves 40% raises so why not the workers? And those concessions by the workers were not made during the pandemic. They were made during the 2008 great recession. The auto makers are not going to go broke because the workers demands. That’s just a lie.

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                  “So why not the workers?” Re: a 40% raise. Sure, I agree in principle, and I really wish the CEOs didn’t get that raise. It was selfish and stupid for that to happen. I just don’t know if the financials can handle a 40% raise for everyone. The economy and auto demand might be different next year.