A war meant to draw in the militant group’s allies has instead left them battered
  • Tedesche@lemmy.worldEnglish
    216·
    3 months ago

    The wise hesitance of these Arab nations to wade into this conflict will likely do more to save the Middle East from disaster than anything else. Refusing to further engage Bibi is the best way to thwart his attempts to prolong this conflict. Hamas’ 10/7/23 was a political gift to him. The dissolution of Bibi’s government is the best thing for Palestinians, along with the destruction of Hamas.

    • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
      206·
      3 months ago

      Netanyahu was not the start and he won’t be the end of Israel’s deplorable treatment of Palestinians.

      The end of his government will be the same as the last 80 years.

      There is no magical blaming one person, this is a systemic and societal issue for all of Israel.

      • Deestan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        3 months ago

        It is indeed a systemic issue, but his government is the strongest player in making sure this system is strenghtened rather than weakened.

        In addition to all the bad stuff, there has also been more and more people pushing to make things better: Reduce laws and influence from religious fundamentalists, return land claimed by settlers and spread an understanding that they are doing evil, peace and trade with neighboring countries, etc.

        And he is afraid of them. That is why he is trying to move to what is practically a dictatorship and go into perpetual war.

        With the current government gone, there is at least hope that the non-fundamentalist politics can take the wheel.

        I’m stretching the word “hope” to near breaking point here, I know. It would go from “impossible” to merely “impossibly hard with decades of hard concessions” to fix things.

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    115·
    3 months ago

    Every attempt to invade/attack/degrade Israel failed in this same assumption.

    I’m gonna be honest and say that no country in the region deserves to even liberate the Palestinians except Palestinians themselves, and even then Hamas made the same mistake. None of their allies are trustworthy or truly care about the Palestinian cause, they simply want the resources or geopolitical influence for their own.

    • KSA and the oil states started out as classic colonial British backed anti ottoman factions, almost like the insane warlords in Afghanistan that ran the government for 20 years. They are nothing but shitty feudal dynasties that are currently propped up by US economic interests and oil money.

    • Egypt is a failed army state that thought that simply being in the military automatically makes you better and guaranteed for success (surprise it was all corruption).

    • Jordan actually put up a small fight with its rather limited resources until its King was assassinated and replaced by a shill.

    • Lebanon was and still is just a proxy war between Israel, Iran, and Syria.

    • Syria is a knockoff military dictatorship enthnostate embroiled in war crimes.

    • Iraq is another failed army state that thought it could actually take on the USA, despite also failing to do anything with Israel or Iran.

    • Iran is a backfired attempt by the US to control every country in the middle east, so now its an insane religious dictatorship.

    Every Arab-Israeli war to date is filled with nepotism and failure. Egypt alone fought multiple “wars” in an attempt to regain the territory lost in the 6 day “war” which basically a curb-stomp by the IDF, even after Jordan warned Egypt of the impending attack.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      83·
      3 months ago

      None of their allies are trustworthy or truly care about the Palestinian cause

      They hate Palestinians. They just hate Israelis more. The way Palestinians are treated in the neighboring countries they have fled to is only marginally better than Israel treats them under the apartheid they were living in (I’m not talking about the current genocide, I’m talking about somewhat more peaceful times when they were still being oppressed). Egypt treats Palestinians terribly. They refuse to allow them to apply for citizenship under the excuse that Israel won’t let them back if they do. Which you would think would be the applicant’s choice, but that’s why its just an excuse. The fact is they don’t want Palestinians in Egypt to have any level of power.