SPRINGFIELD, Ohio —The woman behind an early Facebook post spreading a harmful and baseless claim about Haitian immigrants eating local pets that helped thrust a small Ohio city into the national spotlight says she had no firsthand knowledge of any such incident and is now filled with regret and fear as a result of the ensuing fallout.
“It just exploded into something I didn’t mean to happen,” Erika Lee, a Springfield resident, told NBC News on Friday.
Lee recently posted on Facebook about a neighbor’s cat that went missing, adding that the neighbor told Lee she thought the cat was the victim of an attack by her Haitian neighbors.
From my understanding, and please, someone correct me:
Hate speech has to be tied to a crime. If you knock someone’s mailbox over it’s destruction of property, if you do it while yelling a racist phrase at the person then it may be considered a hate crime which depending on the state can carry additional, often heavier punishment. Racism isn’t illegal, just bad taste.
As far as American free speech is concerned, outside of inciting violence or injury (rallys that turn violent, yelling fire in a movie theater) you can pretty much say whatever the fuck you want… Unless it’s towards a corporation or rich person who can sue you into the floor for years debating your use of “satire, irony, fantasy, parody” if they kinda choose to. Legal system is beyond fucked, and with all the deep fake shit coming and going it’s most likely give more power to these kinda cases. Also, it feels like there’s a rise both legally and socially for thought crimes. A whole new bag of fun.
Edit: Obviously, threatening someone with violence is indeed illegal. Can’t tell folks you’re going to kill them.
Free speech can exist perfectly fine with rules against this kind of stuff. In a lot of western countries where racism and hatespeech can get you in trouble, you are still totally allowed to criticize cultures, immigrants and other stuff like that.
I’d love a list of examples by country and their specificities? If not it just feels like you’re saying, “your free speech is too free”?
Specificities?
A few out of the top of my head: France, Belgium, UK, Netherlands, Germany, Canada, Australia.
In all of these countries free speech is a right, but blatant racism, hate speech, or propaganda based upon such basis, can all get you fined and possibly even jailed.
Yeah, that’s pretty general. If you’d like to pick a country and a few example cases I’d love to actually be specific. Burden of proof on the prosecution? Can I just say my neighbor said racist shit and they go to jail? Context? Set list of phrases/words? Past precedent and public opinion? Warnings vs fines? Etc?
Pretty sure a lot of these places let a lot of questionable people gather and say a lot of questionable shit publicly without any consequence. Not just the US.
I’d rather not explain legal law.
The main gist is that intention is important.
Also, besides the last few years (i think because of immigration), racism was almost non existent, and most people only talked shit behind closed doors, but didn’t even really mean it. Police for example are more into profiling than racism. And the fact that racism is not allowed, also makes it very taboo to be racist.
And also a very weird “every country allows extremists” comment. I’ll just point it out and not go into it any further.
Bro, you haven’t even made a fucking point. Get out of here with this fucking bullshit. You obviously can’t explain much of anything outside of how you “feel” about these things. You showed your age with the “racism was non-existent”, obviously haven’t been around for too long. Never used the word extremist, but honestly it’s not bad. Yeah, every country has them.
Do me a favor, and try to only reply to comments where you actually have a fucking point. You’re gumming up the works for the people looking to have actual discussions.
Fuck you.
What the hell are you even talking about? You ask questions and I answer them. Your intentions are fucking selfish and negative. Get the fuck out of here yourself you miserable asshole.
Go do your own resource for the stuff I said. I don’t have to prove shit.
Ignorant Americunt
And there it is! Glad we could boil it down to your superiority over AmErIcA. Fucking nationalists.
Glad to see the rest of the world is just as fucking stupid as the majority of this country.
You challenged my response, I questioned your stupid premise and asked for actual fact, you couldn’t provide (probably due to your laziness, you’d probably fit in better here than you’d like to believe…) a single point of argument except your feelings. Learn what debate and conversation actually resemble, or don’t, you’ll fit right in with the masses.
Fuck off and get back to class, yah twat.