Khelif was assigned female at birth, has lived her entire life as a woman, has a passport that lists her as a woman from a country that has no trans rights.
If this had happened in the 1904 St Louis Olympics, when women’s boxing was first an Olympic sport, nobody would have batted an eyelid. This is just right wing moral panic.
Was she born intersex before being assigned female? I’m sorry but I haven’t followed all the details of the gender test and how she failed it. Do you know?
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I love everyone citing the International Boxing Association (IBA), “they tested for XY chromosomes.” They did a testosterone test and the IBA President concluded she had XY due to elevated testosterone.
Caster Semenya went through the same stuff but was a woman. Her case is very different but the same. A woman that has elevated testosterone but a medical condition that gives her XY chromosomes.
Instead people should be asking who Umar Kremlev. A Russian that lost his last election but decided “nope, that doesn’t count” and still holds office. Damn, who does that sound like? Yes, he has ties to the Kremlin. Can, someone remind me on their stance with alternative lifestyles?
Elevated testosterone in females is not uncommon. Just like everything else, it is complicated.
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Does she? First we don’t know the indicator that failed the test. If it is an xy chromosome or higher testosterone. For all we know could be a bad test sample. What we do know is she is a woman. How hard would it be to just pay off an official/tester if your competitors are better than you.Secondly this lady has lost to many women with no question they are women. She isn’t superior she may have advantageous genes and if we want to put a limit on that well we she should examine if Michael Phelps is to advantageous in his genes.
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the boxer in question has XY chromosomes. Did you read the article? It’s in there.I read up more on this and my original comment was wrong.
One corrupt Russian official said this but did not give proof or point to the test. They let her compete all the way to the end of a competition let her win then claimed she has xy chromosome.
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I literally quoted you the source on the Wikipedia quite literally the same one dude who claimed it from IBA. Wikipedia said media claimed this and the IBA corrupt governing body dude claimed it we are circling back to a singular one sourced claimed with out exceptional proof.
This Olympic event every individual agreed that all the individuals were fine including this woman until she got punched in the face. The IOC and Paris boxing unit said she was a woman and clear to participate(they test testosterone since that is a know steriod).
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Thank you. I will look for more sources. I was just going off of this article.
No, she doesn’t. Some random sexist schmuck claimed she did and idiots like you gobble it up without question. Grow a brain.
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Yeah, after reading more on the subject you are correct. Next time just post sources.
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The situation has arisen because the world championships last year was run under the auspices of the International Boxing Association, whose president, Umar Kremlev, told the Russian news agency, Tass, that DNA tests had “proved they had XY chromosomes and were thus excluded from the sports events”. https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jul/29/boxers-who-failed-gender-tests-at-world-championships-cleared-to-compete-at-olympics
“A boxer from Algeria Imane Khelif was excluded from the IBA World Boxing Championships due to the failure to meet the IBA eligibility criteria,” the governing body said in a statement. “The IBA upholds its rules and regulations as well as its athletes’ personal and medical privacy, the eligibility criteria breach therefore cannot be shared by the IBA.” The Algerian Olympic Committee said Khelif was disqualified for “medical reasons” and that it would support her preparation for the African qualification tournament for next year’s Paris Olympics. https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/two-disqualified-failing-meet-eligibility-criteria-world-champs-2023-03-26/
In your own article it say she was disqualified after winning gold medal under the rules of having xy chromosomes. Why was she allowed to compete? They don’t specifically say she had xy chromosomes. They just decided to apply the rule after she won gold. They need more documentation and clearer rules. It isn’t hard to spit in a jar and claim someone is not what they are. Or to have a bad sample or mix up.
There is also medical conditions that cause women to have xy chromosomes still doesn’t mean they aren’t women. Tons of people have genomic advantages over other people. Again Michael Phelps
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Read your article again “Khelif’s thoroughly dominant showing on Thursday will only inflame the debate over whether she and Chinese Tapei’s Lin Yu‑ting should be allowed to compete at the Paris Olympics. Last year, at the World Boxing Championships in New Delhi, Khelif was disqualified hours before her gold-medal bout as a result of International Boxing Association rules that prevent athletes with XY chromosomes from competing in women’s events. The IBA disqualified Yu-Ting before her bronze medal bout for the same reason.”
It says they used a rule doesn’t say she has xy chromosomes. In your same article the IBA that claimed they were disqualified after they won was also stripped as a governing body of boxing since they have had tons of scandals and corruption
“The International Olympic Committee has since stripped the IBA of its status as the global governing body for boxing because of long-running governance issues and a series of judging scandals. That leaves boxing in Paris under the umbrella of the IOC’s Paris 2024 Boxing unit, which has more relaxed rules than the IBA and has chosen to disregard the results of Khelif’s and Yu-Ting’s gender eligibility tests last year”
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I’m no languageist but I’d call that indirectly.
You’re basically saying guilty until proven innocent here. They say she broke that rule therefore she must have. This isn’t a criminal case but having actual proof goes a long way.
No direct source claims A has d. All direct sourced is Person A was disqualified from event B because of rule C saying people with D cannot compete
It seems from what I read that she has this syndrome when a male doesn’t develop all male features but female ones. That’s why she would have high testosterone and could have other masculine features. Sucks, but absolutely something that should be addressed and already is addressed. Only that it is addressed differently in different leagues.
I think that in case of imame, no competitors issued any complaints before the Olympics even when asked directly, so she should be able to compete.
Maybe we don’t know. We don’t have good clear transparent and non corrupt testing. We don’t even test this on every single woman. IoC said they need clearer standards if they want to kick this woman out.
It’s a bad situation. Women’s sports have a problem. But right now it’s not a big problem. There are not many individuals who are the outliers. Even imane loses fights.
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Obviously, these duel competitions should only be allowed between identical twins. Anything less is unfair and should be halted and shut down.
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If testosterone is a PED and it doesn’t matter if the athlete is cis or not, then there should be a hard limit for both male and female athletes to ensure fairness. If too much testosterone is only a problem for women then clearly it’s a sexist attempt to police women’s bodies.
Every human body produces some amount of testosterone, either too much is an unfair advantage or it isn’t.
Maybe we should just stop taking professional sports so seriously
People will always have genetically advantages, be it height, testosterone, bone density or a myriad of other factors. Trying to control all is impossible, and no matter what limits you set, you’ll unfairly exclude some people
No basketball player should be above 5.5 feet tall. There should be a hard limit on height. But only in women’s basketball.
There should be separate basketball leagues as per height.
5’6" - 6’
5’ - 5’5"
4’8" - 5’
They do check testosterone levels for men in every single sport that checks for doping. Abnormal levels is indicative of doping.
Are you proposing mandatory testosterone blockers for all Olympic athletes?
I’m suggesting disqualifying women for abnormal testosterone levels without doing the same for men makes no logical sense. Either it’s a PED or it isn’t and if you’re going to limit a naturally occurring hormone of just one sex, then it’s not really about the hormone.
But they do, do the same for men. They test men’s testosterone. It’s part of the anti-doping protocol.
If someone is found with abnormal levels, it can be indicative of doping, and doping by increasing testosterone is quite common. Most people know it by the name of “steroids”
I see now! I misunderstood. Thank you for clarifying
Sports where physical strenght and constitution are more important than technique will always be dominated by people with a better genetic pool.
I’m without any doubt “genetically inferior” when compared to Usain Bolt: even if I started training when I was 3 years old, I couldn’t even imagine to get nowhere near his level because nature decided to screw up my knees while he was born a fucking sprinting machine.
Sorry darling, suck it up and take the L or change sport.Jesus, help us. These people’s reading comprehension is below acceptable.
That plus the fact that everyone entered this thread with an opinion that is limited to one aspect of the matter, which is fine by the way until you try to derail the conversation towards that specific opinion so that you can pull it out totally out of context like a priest’s cock
Good point. Agreed.
Ha! Using it. The Priest’s cock, that is 😏
Let’s remember that all the athletes that have records in running where found positive to doping. Then Bolt arrives and beat all their times one after the other but he is not using. I bet in 10 years he comes out as positive as well
Well how did she lose her other olympic and IBB matches if her genetics are always the same then???
I’m not talking about that, my whataboutistic friend, I’m talking about this specific episode that’s being used as a media case to rage-bait people.
Then we should set testosterone limits for male competitors too if it’s always unfair. Or is it only okay when we police women’s bodies?
It’s always going to be unfair when the game is going to be “how strong am I?” because it will always boil down to genetics. If your body is more suited than mine to shoot punches you are going to win, regardless of sex, gender, ethnicity or age: basically the Olympics are a “Biggest Pumpkin Competition” but with a better advertising campaign.
So all of this rhetoric of “should we test athletes for testosterone” is fucking dumb on both sides.
Give them fucking chainsaws and let them massacre each other for my entertainment.
Sports where physical strenght and constitution are more important than technique will always be dominated by people with a better genetic pool.
You’re literally talking about whole sports in your first sentence, nothing specific about that…
Yeah I’m sorry, sometimes in sake of brevity you skip some premises thinking an average minded person would be able to put it together on their own
I don’t know why you’re jumping to insults when trying to have a discussion about this, as that’s what Lemmy is for surely, discussions??
Why are you making it about solely her genetics saying that she’ll win based on these alone? They’ve been the same when she’s lost several matches as I was pointing out…
You’re doing her a massive disservice by dismissing the amount of hours, effort, blood, sweat and tears she’s likely dedicated to training, and being rude to this “average minded person” for pointing that out.
You do you though
So you are able to understand the specific content of a generic comment!
Good for you pal! Now go and read my first comment once again because I can tell that you still didn’t understand the point I was trying to make back then.The arrogance shown to assume I don’t understand because I disagree with you haaa!
I’m just waiting for demands for the 4k vagina video so everyone can judge for themselves whether or not she’s a real woman with a real vagina.
She’s not a regular woman, she’s a freak of a woman. Most those athletes are freaks amongst regular people, she’s just not a freak in the same way most of them are.
Michael Phelps is taller than the average pro swimmer, has an unusually long upper body and short lower body, longer arms and bigger feet than a regular person of his size would have, all this giving him more pulling power and less drag in the water. His muscles produce less lactic acid than the average athlete, shortening his recovery time.
Nobody has ever called him a freak. His success is attributed to willpower and skill.
Nobody has ever called him a freak
I beg to differ, there were so many jokes about him.
Let me rephrase.
Nobody has ever called him a freak in earnest, and nobody has ever scrutinised him the way they are scrutinising every single woman who dares to be successful while not conforming to an arbitrary and ever-narrowing standard of womanhood.
Most of these arguments literally just narrow down to misogyny
Misogyny with a side of racism.
I have called him a freak.
Good for you. Would you like a medal?
Yes but Michael Phelps took them all 😞
Damn that freak!
Holy fuck… do you call people with dwarfism or people with missing arms freaks too? Like they belong in a circus?
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Not even remotely appropriate.
Oh no. People don’t have humor. Blah blah blah
