• small44@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    The present shows that they was right, despite the absence of resistance in the west bank israel is still expanding the illegal settlments and stealing palestinian homes. Even if you believe arabs was wrong to start the war, it doesn’t give israel the right to destroy villages that surrendred like the village of tantura, force displacing people and occupy more land forever

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      5 months ago

      What does that have to do with Gaza?

      It wasn’t the people in the west bank that attacked Israel to start this latest fight, and as much as people seem to think gaza and the west bank are the same people, they really aren’t. They don’t have the same government, military, or live under the same conditions, they have different economies, and even different cultures at this point.

      And I disagree, if you get attacked, and successfully fight back, you should be able to take land as your own. This has historically happened after most wars, for example massive changes from pre-war borders occurred after WW1 and WW2 as land was given to the victors/victims. Similarly, I would have no problem with Ukraine pushing into Russia and capturing territory at this point. The consequences of invading shouldn’t be losing nothing but your pride.

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        5 months ago

        So why israel is also attacking the west bank? Both gaza and westbank are part of palestine. Just because explusions happen don’t make it right. Whst about the opposite if ukraine lose will you also think it’s ok for it to become part of russia. Was the past expulsions of jews justifiable for being weak and whatever excuse was used to do so?

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          Palestine has never existed as a country or had agreed upon borders. The UN resolution setting it’s borders was never agreed upon by the Palestinian or Arab side. So why should they have borders, if they refused to agree to borders that were actually more generous that what they have now and instead just attacked Israel?

          Ukraine is an established country with established and recognized borders. So no, Russia can’t keep parts of it.

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            5 months ago

            Generous like giving 55% of the land to jews when they only owned 7% and who was recent foreigner that came from all over the world? Putin is claiming that ukraine didn’t exists and was part of russia. So there’s no difference between israel and russia excuses

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              5 months ago

              They only owned 7%, because they were LEGALLY second class citizens with fewer rights and privileges than Muslims.

              In the case of Ukraine, only Russia is disputing the borders. In the case of Israel/Palestine, almost nobody agrees on borders. There’s a massive list of different borders over the years, and there’s never been agreement on any of them.

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                5 months ago

                The international community agree with the pre 1967 borders. Arabs didn’t have any privileges over jews.

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                  The international community doesn’t agree on the 1967 borders, some specific countries do. It’s still in dispute among others, including by groups of Palestinians.

                  And yes, the Muslims did have more privileges, primarily they paid less tax. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi