cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/17439723

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/17439722

Palestinian Territory – Israel’s army has again massacred Palestinian civilians who had gathered in Gaza to obtain humanitarian aid, targeting them with gunfire from helicopters, tanks, and drones near the Kuwait roundabout on the outskirts of Gaza City. This incident has resulted in over 60 deaths and 160 injuries, some of which are critical.

  • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    8 months ago

    If you don’t have human rights for a land’s native population; you are a country that infringes on human rights. It’s very simple. Plus, Palestine is a secular nation and it borders other secular nations like Lebanon (well at least the region of Palestine does). Unlike the country that believes in “old testament justice.”

    Even in Jordan, which is NOT a secular country, as long as you don’t display physical affection in public (which is frowned upon on all groups) you’ll be fine. I have even heard of white gay people moving to Amman because they said the people there mind their own business (I can’t find the link to this anymore).

    • theotherverion@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      14·
      8 months ago

      Well, you stated that in Amman people mind their own business when talking about gays, in Israel gays can adopt children. Does any other country around recognize gay relationships and allow them to adopt children? Are pride parades allowed anywhere in the region (apart from Israel)?

      About Lebanon: maybe it is a secular country but still has been marked as an authoritarian regime by economist with a score of 3.56 (for comparison, Israel has a score of roughly 7.9). So I don’t think we have to argue which regime is more oppressive towards the citizens.

      You also mentioned that each country should have human rights for native population. I do not necessarily understand how that applies to Israel. Israel has laws for their citizens and Palestinian authorities have laws for Palestinians. The fact Palestinian government oppresses their people with their laws is not Israel’s fault. There are many things Israel is guilty of but this is not one of them.

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        8 months ago

        Palestinians live under Israeli Occupation and 50 years of dispossession. Palestinians are denied civil rights and subject to Military Court

        At the mercy of Settler Violence, Torture and Abuse in Interrogations, have No freedom of movement, and also denied Water stolen and extorted by the occupying forces.

        Palestinian Labor is also heavily exploited as they have no workers rights either: Haaretz, MEE, 972, CMEC

        Gaza is under control by Israel’s Blockade which is still internationally recognized as Occupation.

          • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            8 months ago

            Let’s take a look at the history of Arab Israelis within Israel proper. First, after the 1948 ethnic cleansing, the remaining Palestinian population within the new Israel were subject to Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations, later practiced in the occupied territories after 1967.

            Even today Arab Israelis are discriminated against as second class citizens including Education (2001 report).

            Not nearly as brutal as Palestinians living in East Jerusalem, the West Bank, or Gaza, but they all live under Israeli Military Control. This is Apartheid, by international definitions.

            Three main international treaties prohibit and/or explicitly criminalize apartheid: the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD), the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (Apartheid Convention) and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute).

            Amnesty lays this out very well in the first chapter of its report.

            Amnesty International Report

            Human Rights Watch Report

            B’TSelem Report with quick Explainer

              • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                8 months ago

                Yes, that’s the point of the apartheid. Glad we agree.

                Here’s a small fraction of just the summary of the Amnesty report. If you want details you will have to read it. Otherwise I do know of some videos that lay it out too.

                Building on a growing body of work, Amnesty International has documented and analysed Israel’s institutionalized and systematic discrimination against Palestinians within the framework of the definition of apartheid under international law. This has aimed to determine whether discriminatory and exclusionary Israeli laws, policies and practices against Palestinians amount to apartheid as a violation of public international law, a serious human rights violation and a crime against humanity. It has done so by firstly determining Israel’s intent to oppress and dominate all Palestinians by establishing its hegemony across Israel and the OPT, including through means of demography, and maximizing resources for the benefit of its Jewish population at the expense of Palestinians. It has then analysed the laws, policies and practices which have, over time, come to constitute the main tools for establishing and maintaining this system, and which discriminate against and segregate Palestinians in Israel and the OPT today, as well as controlling Palestinian refugees’ right to return. It has conducted this analysis by examining the key components of this system of oppression and domination: territorial fragmentation; segregation and control through the denial of equal nationality and status, restrictions on movement, discriminatory family reunification laws, the use of military rule and restrictions on the right to political participation and popular resistance; dispossession of land and property; and the suppression of Palestinians’ human development and denial of their economic and social rights. Furthermore, it has documented specific inhuman and inhumane acts, serious human rights violations and crimes under international law, committed against the Palestinian population with the intent to maintain this system of oppression and domination.

                  • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    2·
                    8 months ago

                    Only if you make up your own definitions, ignore the multiple international definitions of Apartheid, and the reality of the occupation…

          • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            8 months ago

            Gay parides aren’t enough for me to consider Israelis humanitarians. Though it’s nice they allow gay people to adopt.

              • mightyfoolish@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                8 months ago

                Edit: Ok, I think I replied to the wrong post.

                If you can’t see that treating 10 to 15 million people is wrong (literally raping children) I don’t see why you are discussing the few gay couples with kids. What exactly is objectively better. Even before this October crap, at least one Palestinian child died per hour.