• swearengen@sopuli.xyz
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    10 months ago

    Saying that the vast majority of innocent civilians supported it is such bullshit.

    In what way is it bullshit. The polls are clear, 72% support the Hamas attacks. Is 72% not vast to you or something?

    But please tell us how you justify

    The bombing of Dresden in WW2 by allied forces had a horrific toll on civilians. It didn’t suddenly mean that the allies were unjust in the war and should have stopped fighting.

    Same thing for Israel. They have every right to fight Hamas and they are doing so. With a narrow strip of land like Gaza you’re going to have civilian casualties. That doesn’t make it a genocide. It’s war.

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      10 months ago

      I don’t really see how this survey justifies the war crimes Israel is committing. It was asking people if they thought the attack was justified now that Israel had been murdering and starving them for about two months (ignoring the very long history of more of the same!). And other surveys don’t exactly line up with what you view as support.

      https://news.stanford.edu/report/2023/12/05/palestinians-views-oct-7/

      About 23% of respondents said they have a great deal or quite a lot of trust in Hamas; 52% had no trust at all in Hamas.

      Your second point is terrible. The bombing of Dresden is also a war crime. And what makes this situation genocide is the willful military targeting of civilians, the mass starvation imposed by Israel, and destruction of all civilian medical personnel and infrastructure among many other things.

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        10 months ago

        The bombing of Dresden is also a war crime.

        Are you posting from Argentina?

        And what makes this situation genocide is the willful military targeting of civilians

        As of December 22 Israel struck Gaza 22,000 times since Oct 7th and yet the civilian death toll during that time was 20,000. Do you honestly believe Israel was trying to kill civilians looking at the numbers? It defies all logic.

        If they were “willfully targeting civilians” as you claim the number of dead would be in the hundreds of thousands. The reality is Israel warned people to leave areas it was targeting. It actively avoids civlians, hence the low death toll.

        and destruction of all civilian medical personnel and infrastructure among many other things.

        You say medical infrastructure while ignoring the Hamas base inside. Like it or not hospitals become valid targets. They’re not a safe space for Hamas to kill from.

        the mass starvation imposed by Israel

        As stated by Palestinians on the ground Hamas steals it but somehow Israel is to blame for that as well? https://youtu.be/NBjvYkNzuAA?si=uyjkIc7d6UMsnnqV

        Life in Gaza will not improve until Hamas is destroyed.

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          10 months ago

          Are you posting from Argentina?

          No?

          As of December 22 Israel struck Gaza 22,000 times since Oct 7th and yet the civilian death toll during that time was 20,000. Do you honestly believe Israel was trying to kill civilians looking at the numbers? It defies all logic.

          Wow that’s about one civilian murder per bomb!

          If they were “willfully targeting civilians” as you claim the number of dead would be in the hundreds of thousands. The reality is Israel warned people to leave areas it was targeting. It actively avoids civlians, hence the low death toll.

          The low low death toll of about 3.7%! So far. I don’t really see the argument.

          You say medical infrastructure while ignoring the Hamas base inside. Like it or not hospitals become valid targets. They’re not a safe space for Hamas to kill from.

          Attacking a hospital is not necessarily a war crime by Geneva Conventions, but there are strict requirements even if this is true. What Israel is doing is considered a war crime under the Geneva Conventions.

          As stated by Palestinians on the ground Hamas steals it but somehow Israel is to blame for that as well?

          Israel is the entity responsible for blocking supplies from entering Gaza, so yes.

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            10 months ago

            Wow that’s about one civilian

            Exactly. It’s extremely low for such a high density location. Bombing is neccassary and the civilian death toll will never be 0 but less than 1 death per bomb is stellar considering the bombs are up to 2,000 pounds and capable of leveling entire buildings.

            Israel is the entity responsible for blocking supplies from entering Gaza, so yes.

            I love how the Egyptian border with Gaza always gets forgotten about. No Arab country actually cares about Gaza but they do love to use them as pawns.