I’m against a free market.

I think the market should be chained to benefit society from the bottom up if they want to profit at all.

Donnie is also against a free market, he wants it to serve himself exclusively, which is kind of hilarious since the most selfish class of all is under attack from his greed.

If it isn’t recognition of the glorification of something that shouldn’t even be tolerated and should be legislated out of being practiced with punishments that compete with hate crimes, then no we don’t recognize the problem. And most people who are even against Trump don’t. It is his signature brand and why he represents our people as they are perfectly. (I voted against him every time for the record, but he is a monument to our culture’s sins. He’s like the zeitgeist of the United States of America anthropomorphized into human form.)

That something being avarice.

There was a time when there was mass recognition of the problem, but the Mr. Potters of the world got control when they convinced the masses herp derp you could be rich and shit on your neighbors too! The George Baileys arguing for taking what you need and no more, for community, and most importantly for telling the greed class “No, and by the way fuck you for offering your faustian bargain” lost and died.

The types most laughed at for occupying Wall Street. We clearly don’t recognize the problem, because I hear almost nothing about razing the capital markets to cinder. Those rigged casinos that commoditize our very humanity to be bought, sold, and betrayed when profitable, those market’s utter conquest of their regulators and government need to be destroyed, their arbitrary tabulations of “value” erased, and currency retied to either honest labor, or benefitting directly those who labored for the value of products/services.

Without that, today is the best day of the rest of our lives, and sadly, few recognize that fact. On the bright side, if we don’t, and we know we won’t because our population has been made too ignorant to, capital market made climate change will do our job for us and wipe those markets clean, along with every other aspect of civilization in just a few decades. We have no reason not to stop them save our subsistence opiates like social media and fast food, and that, pathetically myself included, appears to be enough.

You are giving our species too much credit. For almost all of our history, we merely lacked the technologies capable of terraforming our planet against us for short term profit.

If the kings and feudal lords of yore had the capability to burn the long term future to goose their short term greed disease hoards, they would have.

We’re a gaggle of monkeys just barely capable, with great effort, of devising tools with complexities and consequences we’re still far too primitive to wield responsibly, nothing more.

I’m of the opinion this is one of those theoretical Great Filters that explains the lack of a loud universe filled with the signals of other civilizations.

Evolution is slow. If complex life is common and eventually leads to intelligence, maybe there’s just a common chasm between when when a species becomes… clever enough, because we’ve proven as a species we aren’t intelligent… To split atoms or otherwise alter the habitat of their world technologically, but still sit biologically in the tribal, zero sum, rival monkeys have to lose so we big win! mentality that is necessary in nature but harmful to a civilization, that inevitably leads to self-destruction.

What was the FIRST thing we sought to do with the awesome power of the atom again? Wasn’t even a hundred years ago. That’s who we are. We could have made a warm light for all mankind, instead we made big boomie boom rival monkey tribe, wheeeeee!

And we’re STILL not willing to reign in capitalism.

We doomed ourselves. My pity is reserved for all the species we’re taking with us in this murder/suicide for short term profit for the avarice diseased. Those capitalists are by far most to blame, but no one that contributes to the capitalist machine, myself included, is without blame for the effectively permanent destruction of our COMMUNal habitat.

Unless you’re an eco-terrorist who has been actively trying to destroy the capitalist machine, the precious few good guys as far as I’m concerned if your goal is a viable habitat for our species at all beyond the next couple decades, we’ve all been seeing this oncomming train heading towards us our entire lives and done nothing of note.

We can’t keep living like we’ve been living, as gluttonous consumers with 78 kinds of plastic packaged cereal made a thousand miles away in any form AND survive as a species, and it’s clear which choice we’ve made. We aren’t willing to live closer to the land, to farm the food our community eats, to live small lives understanding we are subject to earth and not the other way around, so we gotta go so life can go on without us.

His silence about why says it all.

He isn’t sorry for what he did, murder customers in swaths to metastasize private profit in our American deathcare state sanctioned confidence scheme, he’s sorry he may face violent reprisal for what he did.

I’m glad he’s on record leaving with no apologetic plea, off to count his money from all the murders he oversaw.

When terminal capitalism collapses, coming very soon, and he has nothing of value to pay his guards and security patrols with, the survivors will remember who he is and what he did.

“I… I was just following orders the invisible hand of the market!!!”

I consider it insult to say I agree with either of our 2 parties on 50% of the issues. Almost all of both of their policy positions are derivations on “how will this metastasize the capital markets faster” and not “how will this improve the wellbeing of the citizens of society, preferably at the expense/taxation of the capital markets that we kindly permit to profit off of society at all so long as they don’t undermine said society to increase their profits”

Both parties would be lighting themselves on fire to prevent the latter. The tail has been wagging the dog for a long time, the fucking profoundly perverse servitude of a society to an economy. It obviously needs to be the other way around or… Well this.

To be fair, it would be in line with the practiced values of the Catholic Church throughout history.

They were pro-Nazi until the Nazis were gone. Then ohmygawdwemadeamistaaaake

I voted for Harris, and voted for Biden before that, and Clinton before that. With shame as I should. Harm reduction, methadone instead of heroin.

It’s nothing to brag about. You guys try to make them sound like a good choice, when neoliberals are for the same status quo, only minus the scapegoating. They’re just a lesser degree of bad. They’re for mass homelessness, they’re for entire murder for profit economic sectors including American “Healthcare,” they’re for ever worsening income inequity, because on economic policy (that informs and often dictates social Ills) they’re on the same take as Republicans. Just because they don’t cheer and pour the blood they’re drenched in over their heads in celebration like Gatorade, doesn’t mean their hands are any cleaner.

That scapegoating makes Republicans worth voting against, but you’re praising Jack the Ripper in the face of Adolf Hitler. No American should feel anything but shame about only having a extreme right wing party and a fascist party as our only two options. No one should have left an American polling place with a smile or pride for the last half century, it’s been a rocketship to avarice diseased oblivion, that Trumpism is just a newer symptom of, not the cause.

Reagan toppled this empire, it just takes an empire a while to hit the ground. We have arrived at a while. Trump is more of a vulture come to feast on the corpse.

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Democrats would rather lose to fascists than win as the people’s champions.

There’s no bribe money in the latter.

I told you he didn’t do it!

I’m not going to lie, this is a profitable move by Trump, because his voters will line up to get them to antagonize those outside their in group, as was the entire point of their vote, to harm their enemies as an end in itself, regardless of whether he’s able to get the SCOTUS to rule that up means down and no third term means infinite terms for Republicans only.

I’m just looking forward to all the idiots giggling about their own enslavement, as I see anyone wearing that hat as a derivation of this:

thinking of liberals

The ones that enabled us into this mess.

But at least they saved us from universal healthcare and economic equity. Dodged a real bullet there.

I’m sure Republicans would say the same and more about me, but I’d take one migrant who took a risk to work harder than almost any Americans do and give their children a better life (funny how they actually do what the American mythos claims to value, they walk the walk of our largely bullshit rhetoric), at our big corpo’s invitation no less, than a hundred of my fellow American supposed conservatives born in the developed world acting like they hit a triple and reveling in the suffering of those who weren’t born in what was once a cradle of safety until they demolished it with their ballot, seeking to destroy their enemies, aka most Americans, in the zero sum game Faux News drilled into their head.

These people are unashamedly drunk on the schaudenfreude of cruelty. To me, their willful rejection of basic human empathy means they are wholly devoid of value.

You are in a sense.

Americans love to separate ourselves, but George Carlin was right, this is a representative government. I voted against him thrice, and primaried for an actual left, and phone banked for Sanders on two campaigns, but Donald Trump represents the United States as it is in practice perfectly.

He’s like the United States anthropomorphized into human form. Proudly classist, proudly racist, proudly greedy, proudly willfully ignorant, proudly drunk on schaudenfreude, proudly cruel and sociopathic, obsessed with ego score and image despite being a gross, overweight pig.

Trump is this fucking place. The embodiment of everything I’ve despised about this fucking cesspool since before he was fake firing people on fake reality TV. We could not be governed more appropriately as a people given our PRACTICED values of being temporarily embarrassed millionaires dying alone undermining one another to “beat” our neighbors instead of living reasonable lives together if we tried.

Maybe we should stop being a horrible, antisocial society that tries to compete against one another in every possible way instead of cooperating before we continue to tell other places what they’re doing wrong, because this is a meth house on fire, geopolitically speaking, and has been since the 1970s. We don’t have the credibility to get caught up in other nation’s problems.

Oh also, sticks and stones but ad hominems will never hurt me.

I mean, you can and are.

That being said, it’s equivalent to a Chinese citizen finger wagging at the US about our compromised democratic republic.

It would ring empty from a citizen of a place that will literally run tanks over him for wanting a political voice, and would be gallows comical as a source. Context matters.

Don’t like it? Let’s clean our house up. IMHO the Nordic nations, with the happiest citizens with the highest sense of wellbeing in the world, the only point of civilization existing for those still paying attention, have the right to talk Infinite shit about just about anything to just about every other nation, because they’re doing being a society right and meeting the only fucking goal that matters. Their house is made of iron, not candy glass. Every nation on Earth should be taking their notes, every citizen of every other nation rioting for their models to be enacted at home.

I’m saying that you can’t credibly go “you… You fucking shot me! What the fuck?!” at someone who shot you because you shot them a few seconds prior to that.

It doesn’t make it right. It’s wrong. But it’s also a non-sequitur for a serial killer to condemn another serial killer over the sanctity of life.

As an American, Americans have no business condemning other nations about misinformation campaigns until we clean our fucking house up and provide reparations to those both within and without who were hurt by our misinformation campaigns.

And they do it to their citizens too…

…And we do it to other countries and we do it to our citizens.

You can’t condemn another country for what we’ve been actively doing considerably longer than them having never stopped credibly. Our house is made of that candy glass they use in movies in this particular arena.

The oligarchs and their increasingly captured government, including both parties, have been poisoning us against anything that isn’t hyper-capitalist greed enabling from the great depression to the McCarthy witch hunts into today. Very few Americans could define socialism or communism in any sense with a gun to their heads, but they’ve been misinformed into being filled with hate and/or dread when they’re uttered.

Name one world superpower that doesn’t actively engage in mass disinformation campaigns both within and without, I’ll wait. I’d also argue that like our general military, we certainly spend the most on our global Orwell machine. Our CIA, along with the KGB, are the OG playbooks other nations refer to when doing it themselves.

China should tell us they’ll drop their tariffs by 20% a month until gone barring further impulsive fuckery to dissuade further infantile American shenanigans.

As an American, someone’s got to be the geopolitical adult in the room, and we don’t qualify.

Been my default plan A long before the economy went to hell.

I set up home medical equipment for 10 years, and by the eldery’s own words, even if lucky enough to have amoral levels of resources, it’s no life or victory, and certainly shouldn’t be your main life goal. Taking a dozen pills every day to stave of the inevitable, dealing with unyielding physical pain, even in the best of cases being cognitively dulled as if in a permanent, ever worsening brain fog as your very sense of self erodes until even those dozen pills can no longer cheat your body’s imminent failure any longer.

I’ll never understand regular people that live like monks just in case they don’t get hit by a bus or some debilitating disease and make it to… Their absolute shittiest years (them being the “golden years” was always marketing to keep you working your best years in service to sociopaths). Because sadly even in the supposed “good” times from the 90s onward, most people economically have to choose to live in the present, or do the supposed responsible thing and scrimp to subsist in the future when you’re no longer of use to the oligarchs.

Should have used all that money in your 401k to take a bunch of vacations back when you could actually fully taste the food, fully feel the wind in your face, fully partake in activities your failing body would no longer survive without injury or death, and fully imbibe the experience as more than a faint, fading shadow of who you once were.

And again, that’s from the experience of basically hearing how horrible it is from elderly people from the extremely wealthy to the extremely poor.