• AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    29
    ·
    edit-2
    5 months ago

    TLDR: The purpose and capabilities of the satellites are unknown, but they’re being deployed suspiciously close to US surveillance satellites.

  • slurpinderpin@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    5 months ago

    Seeing Russia’s effectiveness in Ukraine the past couple of years, this really doesn’t concern me. Its capabilities are probably more like a battering ram than anything high tech. Even though that can obviously still fuck with our satellites, I highly doubt this is some doomsday weapon we should all be afraid of

      • muse@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        5 months ago

        On the plus side, we might end up in a Planetes esque future where space garbageman is a lucrative job

    • tal@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      5 months ago

      this really doesn’t concern me. Its capabilities are probably more like a battering ram than anything high tech.

      There has been discussion recently about Russia discussing imminent deployment of a nuclear anti-satellite weapon. I don’t know if this is that, but the timing is right.

      We discovered that high-altitude nuclear explosions are pretty bad news.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime

      Starfish Prime was a high-altitude nuclear test conducted by the United States, a joint effort of the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) and the Defense Atomic Support Agency. It was launched from Johnston Atoll on July 9, 1962, and was the largest nuclear test conducted in outer space, and one of five conducted by the US in space.

      Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) that was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 900 miles (1,450 km) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights,: 5  setting off numerous burglar alarms, and damaging a telephone company microwave link. The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian Islands.

      The explosion released roughly 10^29 electrons into the Earth’s magnetosphere. While some of the energetic beta particles followed the Earth’s magnetic field and illuminated the sky, other high-energy electrons became trapped and formed radiation belts around the Earth. The added electrons increased the intensity of electrons within the natural inner Van Allen radiation belt by several orders of magnitude. There was much uncertainty and debate[by whom?] about the composition, magnitude and potential adverse effects from the trapped radiation after the detonation. The weaponeers became quite worried when three satellites in low Earth orbit were disabled. These included TRAAC and Transit 4B. The half-life of the energetic electrons was only a few days. At the time it was not known that solar and cosmic particle fluxes varied by a factor of 10, and energies could exceed 1 MeV (0.16 pJ). In the months that followed, these man-made radiation belts eventually caused six or more satellites to fail, as radiation damaged their solar arrays or electronics, including the first commercial relay communication satellite, Telstar, as well as the United Kingdom’s first satellite, Ariel 1. Detectors on Telstar, TRAAC, Injun, and Ariel 1 were used to measure distribution of the radiation produced by the tests.

      In 1963, it was reported that Starfish Prime had created a belt of MeV electrons. In 1968, it was reported that some Starfish electrons had remained in the atmosphere for 5 years.

      Way back then, there were few satellites in orbit. There are a lot more now.

      EDIT: Okay, I take it back. It looks like the development was what was being talked about, and that the deployment was explicitly not imminent:

      https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pentagon-official-warns-russian-anti-satellite-nuclear-weapon-devastat-rcna150314

      A senior Defense Department official told lawmakers Wednesday that Russia is developing an “indiscriminate” anti-satellite nuclear device that would pose a threat to all satellites operated by countries and companies around the world.

      "The concept that we are concerned about is Russia developing and — if we are unable to convince them otherwise — to ultimately fly a nuclear weapon in space which will be an indiscriminate weapon” that would not distinguish among military, civilian or commercial satellites, John Plumb, the assistant secretary of defense for space policy, said at a House Armed Services subcommittee hearing.

      He said the threat was “not imminent” but that the Pentagon and the “entire” Biden administration were concerned about the program.

      So this is probably some other kind of “space weapon”.

      • slurpinderpin@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        Ah wow, interesting. I’m still extremely skeptical Russia pulled it off with this launch. They’re still fighting wars by throwing wave after wave of human cannon fodder towards frontlines. They’re far more rudimentary than we’ve all been told imo. Mass corruption at every level causes mass incompetence

        • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          5 months ago

          Are you sceptical about the part where Russia can put a satellite into orbit or the part where they can make a nuclear bomb?

          • slurpinderpin@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            5 months ago

            The part where they can put a a nuclear bomb on a satellite. Or that it would work even if they somehow pulled it off

            • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              5 months ago

              We’re replying to a comment that states the US pulled it off 60 years ago

              • slurpinderpin@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                5 months ago

                No read that again buddy. We blew up a nuke in space. We didn’t send it on a rocket attached to a satellite

                • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  Do you know of some special secret law of thermodynamics that prevents us from putting a nuclear bomb in orbit?

            • evranch@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              5 months ago

              During the Cold War, Russia launched quite a few nuclear powered satellites, and I mean real fission reactors, not just RTGs. Apparently they’re still up there and possibly still generating power. So it’s pretty much a proven fact.

        • rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          5 months ago

          They’re still fighting wars by throwing wave after wave of human cannon fodder towards frontlines.

          There have been some gradual changes in the last 2 years.

          Mass corruption at every level causes mass incompetence

          There are still people competent, willing to win a war or with some perverted understanding of patriotism. Others steal - they make do with what they have. That’s not negligible.

          Also mass corruption is present not only in Russia.

          They’re far more rudimentary than we’ve all been told imo.

          That can also be said about Israel, for example.

          I think we may find out one day that complacency plus corruption have eaten not only Russian military.

          Also you are doubting that Russia has launched a few sats? It’s still one of the countries with expertise and ability. Nothing weird about this.

      • lltnskyc@monero.town
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        Not like that!
        Others (preferably Ukrainians, we don’t consider them humans anyway, right?) should go and destroy Russia instead of me, I should be lying comfortably on my bed commenting how we should destroy Russia!
        /s

    • _NoName_@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      5 months ago

      Time to liberate the Russians from themselves.

      Maybe get some of that oil. Yaknow, freedom it up.

      /s