Andy Young, an ex-Microsoft senior software engineer, posted a message on X/Twitter bemoaning that even with his $1,600 Core i9 CPU and 128 GB of RAM, Windows...
I had my first UNIX class in about 1990. I wrote my first Fortran program on a Sperry Rand Univac (punched cards) in about 1985. Cobol was immediately after Fortran (wish I’d stuck with Cobol).
I run a Mint laptop. Power management is a joke. Configured it as best as possible, walked in the other day and it was dead. Windows would never do this, unless you went out of your way to config power management to kill the battery.
There no way even possible via the GUI to config power management for things like low/critical battery conditions /actions.
There are many reasons why Linux doesn’t compete with Windows on the desktop - this is just one glaring one.
Now let’s look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that’s just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. No, I’m not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That’s just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn’t realistically shareable with other people.
Now there’s that print monitor that’s on by default, and can only be shut up by using a command line. Wtf? In the 21st century?
Networking… Yea, samba works, but how do you clear creds you used one time to connect to a share, even though you didn’t say “save creds”? Oh, yea, command line again or go download an app to clear them for for you. Smh.
Someone else said it better than me:
Every time I’ve installed Linux as my main OS (many, many times since I was younger), it gets to an eventual point where every single thing I want to do requires googling around to figure out problems. While it’s gotten much better, I always ended up reinstalling Windows or using my work Mac. Like one day I turn it on and the monitor doesn’t look right. So I installed twenty things, run some arbitrary collection of commands, and it works… only it doesn’t save my preferences.
So then I need to dig into .bashrc or .bash_profile (is bashrc even running? Hey let me investigate that first for 45 minutes) and get the command to run automatically… but that doesn’t work, so now I can’t boot… so I have to research (on my phone now, since the machine deathscreens me once the OS tries to load) how to fix that… then I am writing config lines for my specific monitor so it can access the native resolution… wait, does the config delimit by spaces, or by tabs?? anyway, it’s been four hours, it’s 3:00am and I’m like Bryan Cranston in that clip from Malcolm in the Middle where he has a car engine up in the air all because he tried to change a lightbulb.
And then I get a new monitor, and it happens all damn over again. Oh shit, I got a new mouse too, and the drivers aren’t supported - great! I finally made it to Friday night and now that I have 12 minutes away from my insane 16 month old, I can’t wait to search for some drivers so I can get the cursor acceleration disabled. Or enabled. Or configured? What was I even trying to do again? What led me to this?
I just can’t do it anymore. People who understand it more than I will downvote and call me an idiot, but you can all kiss my ass because I refuse to do the computing equivalent of building a radio out of coconuts on a deserted island of ancient Linux forum posts because I want to have Spotify open on startup EVERY time and not just one time. I have tried to get into Linux as a main dev environment since 1997 and I’ve loved/liked/loathed it, in that order, every single time.
I respect the shit out of the many people who are far, far smarter than me who a) built this stuff, and 2) spend their free time making Windows/Mac stuff work on a Linux environment, but the part of me who liked to experiment with Linux has been shot and killed and left to rot in a ditch along the interstate.
Now I love Linux for my services: Proxmox, UnRAID, TrueNAS, containers for Syncthing, PiHole, Owncloud/NextCloud, CasaOS/Yuno, etc, etc. I even run a few Windows VM’s on Linux (Proxmox) because that’s better than running Linux VM’s of a Windows server.
Linux is brilliant for this stuff. Just not brilliant for a desktop, let alone in a business environment (or really for the average user).
If it were 40 years ago, maybe Linux would’ve had a chance to beat MS, even then it would’ve required settling on a single GUI (which is arguably half of why Windows became a standard, the other half being a common API), a common build (so the same tools/utilities are always available), and a commitment to put usability for the inexperienced user first.
These are what MS did in the 1980’s to make Windows attractive to the 3 groups who contend with desktops: developers, business management, end users.
I’ve been running linux on the desktop since the late '90s (back when I was writing Fortran on Tandem systems) and have no idea what the hell you’re going on about.
Idk. I have a windows pc my work gave me, and the battery shits the bed constantly. I don’t even know were to begin troubleshooting the issue. I put in an ubuntu partition as an experiment, and the battery suddenly had a decent lifespan. I have my own linux laptop, so the partition was redundant and I ended up wiping it.
My partner also has a windows laptop and it has it’s own weird issues. The start menu search frequently can’t find programs she has installed, or takes up to 10 seconds to even show a result. This isn’t an old laptop, nor a particularly underpowered one. She also has issue with certain browsers on her work’s vpn, and troubleshooting via remote desktop has caused her issues as well. In both those situations she borrowed a linux laptop from me and her work’s IT department was able to figure it out pretty quickly. Some of it has since been solved but once in a while it still comes up. (they had no RDP solution for linux but the VPN info she was given worked, which got her up and running)
I’m sure someone more experienced with windows would just be able to fix these issues with a registry edit or something, but I have no idea where to begin. I have lots of respect for windows admins because it all feels like black magic to me. At least on linux you can google for solutions.
I also find the gui(s) on linux to be less buggy, more performant, more logical, and more consistent that the windows UI. I’m sure if I were more experience I could make some tweaks and get Linux-quality performance, but the bugs and inconsistency are still rough when you are used to Linux’s simplicity.
That’s my take anyway. I think the biggest thing is that knowledge and confidence smooths over a lot of issues, and that applies both ways. It seems like you have a lot of Windows experience that you can lean on and that’s great.
I run a Mint laptop. Power management is a joke. Configured it as best as possible, walked in the other day and it was dead. Windows would never do this, unless you went out of your way to config power management to kill the battery.
Great bait, mate.
Windows literally configures itself to drain your battery while your laptop is closed by default. It’s called hibernation/fast boot.
You need to go out of your way to configure power manager to not kill the battery.
Hibernate is S4 which is very low power but not zero. Some devices like LAN, keyboard, and USB can remain powered so your battery will eventually drain.
My battery drains by a negligible amount while my Windows laptop is hibernating. The same laptop battery drains by 2% per hour while on sleep mode running Linux.
Yawn.
I had my first UNIX class in about 1990. I wrote my first Fortran program on a Sperry Rand Univac (punched cards) in about 1985. Cobol was immediately after Fortran (wish I’d stuck with Cobol).
I run a Mint laptop. Power management is a joke. Configured it as best as possible, walked in the other day and it was dead. Windows would never do this, unless you went out of your way to config power management to kill the battery.
There no way even possible via the GUI to config power management for things like low/critical battery conditions /actions.
There are many reasons why Linux doesn’t compete with Windows on the desktop - this is just one glaring one.
Now let’s look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that’s just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. No, I’m not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That’s just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn’t realistically shareable with other people.
Now there’s that print monitor that’s on by default, and can only be shut up by using a command line. Wtf? In the 21st century?
Networking… Yea, samba works, but how do you clear creds you used one time to connect to a share, even though you didn’t say “save creds”? Oh, yea, command line again or go download an app to clear them for for you. Smh.
Someone else said it better than me:
Now I love Linux for my services: Proxmox, UnRAID, TrueNAS, containers for Syncthing, PiHole, Owncloud/NextCloud, CasaOS/Yuno, etc, etc. I even run a few Windows VM’s on Linux (Proxmox) because that’s better than running Linux VM’s of a Windows server.
Linux is brilliant for this stuff. Just not brilliant for a desktop, let alone in a business environment (or really for the average user).
If it were 40 years ago, maybe Linux would’ve had a chance to beat MS, even then it would’ve required settling on a single GUI (which is arguably half of why Windows became a standard, the other half being a common API), a common build (so the same tools/utilities are always available), and a commitment to put usability for the inexperienced user first.
These are what MS did in the 1980’s to make Windows attractive to the 3 groups who contend with desktops: developers, business management, end users.
I’ve been running linux on the desktop since the late '90s (back when I was writing Fortran on Tandem systems) and have no idea what the hell you’re going on about.
Idk. I have a windows pc my work gave me, and the battery shits the bed constantly. I don’t even know were to begin troubleshooting the issue. I put in an ubuntu partition as an experiment, and the battery suddenly had a decent lifespan. I have my own linux laptop, so the partition was redundant and I ended up wiping it.
My partner also has a windows laptop and it has it’s own weird issues. The start menu search frequently can’t find programs she has installed, or takes up to 10 seconds to even show a result. This isn’t an old laptop, nor a particularly underpowered one. She also has issue with certain browsers on her work’s vpn, and troubleshooting via remote desktop has caused her issues as well. In both those situations she borrowed a linux laptop from me and her work’s IT department was able to figure it out pretty quickly. Some of it has since been solved but once in a while it still comes up. (they had no RDP solution for linux but the VPN info she was given worked, which got her up and running)
I’m sure someone more experienced with windows would just be able to fix these issues with a registry edit or something, but I have no idea where to begin. I have lots of respect for windows admins because it all feels like black magic to me. At least on linux you can google for solutions.
I also find the gui(s) on linux to be less buggy, more performant, more logical, and more consistent that the windows UI. I’m sure if I were more experience I could make some tweaks and get Linux-quality performance, but the bugs and inconsistency are still rough when you are used to Linux’s simplicity.
That’s my take anyway. I think the biggest thing is that knowledge and confidence smooths over a lot of issues, and that applies both ways. It seems like you have a lot of Windows experience that you can lean on and that’s great.
Great bait, mate.
Windows literally configures itself to drain your battery while your laptop is closed by default. It’s called hibernation/fast boot.
You need to go out of your way to configure power manager to not kill the battery.
Hibernation is suspend to disk. It’s exactly the same power state as being shut down. The only difference is that on boot, it loads state from disk.
Hibernate is S4 which is very low power but not zero. Some devices like LAN, keyboard, and USB can remain powered so your battery will eventually drain.
My battery drains by a negligible amount while my Windows laptop is hibernating. The same laptop battery drains by 2% per hour while on sleep mode running Linux.