Update:
The comments from this post will not be removed as to preserve the discussion around the announcement. Any continued discussions outside of this thread that violate server rules will be removed. We feel that everyone that has an opinion, and wanted to vent, has been heard.
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Original post:
Yesterday, we received information about the planned federation by Hexbear. The announcement thread can be found here: https://www.hexbear.net/post/280770. After reviewing the thread and the comments, it became evident that allowing Hexbear to federate would violate our rules.
Our code of conduct and server rules can be found here.
The announcement included several concerning statements, as highlighted below:
- “Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated.”
- “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.”
- “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.”
The rhetoric and goal of Hexbar are clear based on their announcement: to “dismantle western propaganda” and "demolish organizations such as NATO” shows that Hexbar has no intention of "respecting the rules of the community instance in which they are posting/commenting.” It’s to push their beliefs and ideology.
In addition, several comments from a Hexbear admin, demonstrate that instance rules will not be respected.
Here are some examples:
“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”
“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”
- https://lemmy.world/comment/121850
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1487168
- https://lemmy.world/comment/1476084
- https://lemmy.world/comment/171595
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3648500
Overall community comments:
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526128
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3526086
- https://www.hexbear.net/comment/3652828
To clarify, for those who have inquired about why Hexbear versus Lemmygrad, it should be noted that we are currently exploring the possibility of defederating from Lemmygrad as well based on similar comments Hexbear has made.
- https://lemmygrad.ml/post/158656
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/882559
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/540170
- https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/446529
Defederation should only be considered as a last resort. However, based on their comments and behavior, no positive outcomes can be expected.
We made the decision to preemptively defederate from Hexbear for these reasons. While we understand that not everyone may agree with our decision, we believe it is important to prioritize the best interests of our community.
What happened to “defederating should always be a last resort”?
Hexbear is probably the most inclusive major instance. We’re the only instance with mandatory pronoun tags. And yet we get defederated before we have a chance, while Exploding-Heads got to stay federated for so long? Our admins even went out of their way to make things easy for you, too. Did you even talk to them?
It’s pretty breathtaking that they’re taking a preemptive approach on such a large server, feels like they could have federated for a while and assesses but nope.
That would’ve given Hexbear the chance to prove itself. This decision eliminates that possibility. It’s a consciously-made politically-motivated decision.
spent a good hour looking at junk on Hexbear and I’m not sure what you expect them to prove.
On a post partially* about federating with Lemmy the top comments were about spending their downtime to brigade Beehaw.
Just seems like another annoying group that wants more attention and idk about y’all but I’m burnt out enough as is.
https://i.imgur.com/g0Mltc6.jpg
it’s a post about getting hexbear back to the rest of lemmy, not federating. Don’t know if you’re lying or just didnt care to actually read the title of the thread: Scheduled downtime: 17th June, 9am CDT/2pm UTC
from the post:
you’ll notice that this was explicitly not about federation, they weren’t even sure if they were going to federate at this point in time, this was just to make development easier on Hexbear’s devs
Oh my bad, I didn’t realize that a post saying they’ll gain the ability to fed wasn’t at all relative to federating.
That just changes everything and the comments totally would’ve been different.
After all my main point wasn’t about annoying people brigading.
Yeah I just don’t really care about this part of the thread you can be right or whatever have a good day
These are jokes mate. People are playing around. The site is steeped in layers and layers and layers of irony. Nobody gives a crap what’s happening over at Beehaw.
Things stop being ironic when people actually do them.
Here’s the rest of the above thread where the “people who don’t give a crap about Beehaw” tell others how to bug Beehaw.
https://i.imgur.com/3Qeinlr.jpg
I don’t give two titties about Beehaw or Bear
They’re not even federated with lemmyworld lmao.
And what does this prove? Oh god “make an account on beehaw to post on beehaw” or “make an account on a place that has access to that other place” is truly horrible stuff! Truly monstrous. They might be able to TALK to people and say “socialism is good actually” :O Like holy shit grow up.
Pointing at one or two fucking people discussing that shit is absurd. You think this community will never discuss making accounts on reddit to do reddit stuff? Or w/e. Trump’s next big thing? You think ideologically participating liberals don’t discuss going places and spreading liberalism? or idk. Jesus.
Wow, it’s almost as if Beehaw didn’t like that people were doing exactly what the above link was telling people to do.
That if the first comment tree of what I’m guessing is an admin post is filled with “let’s bother someone” then maybe that’s a red flag.
lol wtf are you going on about
Mate what part of it being easy to make accounts on Beehaw do you not understand? If you can make an account there, I can make an account there. Get a grip. People will go wherever they want, posing this as some grandiose evil is fucking absurd.
I mean, I will think it’s funny when Berhaw collapses due to a struggle session leading to a circular firing squad. I’ll even laugh. But I don’t have the time or energy to contribute to it.
No, not a single attempt was made to contact any one of us. I even included the lemmy.world code of conduct and asked the users to abide by it.
Why is mandatory pronoun tags a good thing? Isn’t that just putting more personal info out there than needed?
I mean they can’t and don’t try to stop you from lying, or even setting it to “none/use name”. All it does in reality is filter out transphobes who get triggered by the requirement, and provide a practical way of knowing what to call someone, rather than the reddit approach of always defaulting to “he” (or maybe they in some more liberal subs)