Because you are an outlier when it comes to most people’s experience of battery life in their phones.
The recycling scheme is a good idea too, we should do both.
Reducing is just as important as recycling. And reducing the amount of people buying new phones because their battery dies is a win.
Also there are these well-used battery recycling boxes in plenty shops where I’m from. If people could remove their phone battery, they might still throw away their phone, as there’s not as obvious, easy and visible a recycling system for those yet, but perhaps some might at least take out the battery first and chuck it in the recycling bin next time they go to shop.
How is it a loss for you in any way? Just because the battery can be replaced more easily doesn’t mean you have to replace it if you’re at 89% after 5 years. I use my phone a lot and burn through batteries in 18-24 months. This shouldn’t have any effect on people who only have light usage like you but benefit the rest of us tremendously.
It’d be like only driving 1,000 miles a year and saying there’s no need to make oil changes easier to accomplish. Some of use have to change it orders of magnitude more frequently than you and would appreciate not having to disassemble the whole front of our cars to do it.
Replaceable battery means extra plastic,extra size, and reduced design parameters because the design has to be around the battery and it’s ability to be replaced using connectors. Look at what blackberry devices looked like. Battery and OS tech got a little better, but they used the same batteries for a long amount of time. I’m not saying that we’ll have blackberry devices again, I’m saying that things like connectors, latches, and the extra size of a battery that’s designed to be held all adds up to extra space being used.
My usage is probably above average. Probably closer to your average fediverse/redditor. I’m far from a “light user”.
That being said, your average user doesn’t burn through batteries like you do. Maybe you should be pressuring the market to build your phone instead of forcing everyone that has no need for a replaceable battery to put up with the deficiencies of that form factor?
Replaceable battery means extra plastic,extra size, and reduced design parameters
One could say the same about a smartphone screen compared to ye oldern LED displays of yesteryear as well. If a physical feature takes up physical space… I think that’s fair.
That being said, your average user doesn’t burn through batteries like you do.
My father, turning 70 in just over a week, have always complained about short battery life both in per charge and capacity degradation. I think it’s very individual, and considering replacement batteries used to be available in basically any tech store it seems there was a large marked for it.
Maybe you should be pressuring the market to build your phone instead of forcing everyone that has no need for a replaceable battery to put up with the deficiencies of that form factor?
Nah, I’ve replaces phones more often than I appreciate and I’ve looked for a reasonably priced, commonly available phone with replaceable batteries ever since I had a Galaxy S2, impossible to find.
So “pressuring the marked” doesn’t work when the entire industry is equally willing to fleece the consumer. How long was phones from major producers with replaceable batteries available after the first enclosed system was a hit among consumers? A few years and now it’s practically gone.
From my point of view, mindless consumerism from people only interested in the newest digital jewelry have ruined a valuable tool for me.
With the replaceable battery I could install custom batteries as well.
Best phone experience of my life due to the possibility to have a battery capacity that fit me. I bought that after the original battery was worn out, so it expanded the hardware lifespan as well.
no need for a replaceable battery to put up with the deficiencies of that form factor?
Really? If you show me a phone with a non-replaceable battery that wont have it’s battery degrade with use, I’ll buy it and don’t complain about batteries no more. Since I’d have no reason to complain.
If you can’t, I would think you’re only considering your own needs and preferences as a universal standard and ask other people to do the same. Use your needs and preferences as a basis for what phone they should get.
I guess what I’m getting at is that there are two valid opinions on this matter. On one side, people want to replace batteries, on the other, people don’t care about the battery.
The government is stepping in on the issue for some reason. This irks me. If there was a market for it, it would exist.
This isn’t about a monopoly or even a significant environmental impact like aerosol spray in the 80s, or leaded gas of the 70’s. Right to repair? Yeah I agree. Specific charge port? Hmm, I understand the argument but politicians shouldn’t decide it. Required replaceable batteries? Hold up, aren’t their bigger issues that need to be addressed?
And yeah your dad remembers when his phone would last two weeks on the dash of his truck that he parked it the sun every day. Those were different times, and he should know those phones still exist if he really wants it, but no one does.
Are you a mind reader since you can tell me what my father remembers?
Especially when my father told me stories from when mobile phones literally had a car battery installed and didn’t last 12 hours when disconnected from the car power.
Too spooky for me, I’m out. Thanks for the interaction, have a nice day.
Opposite boat. My perfectly good device gets replaced after about 4 years because it struggles to hold a charge. I don’t give a shit about iterative phone specs, and I say that as a tech enthusiast.
I agree, I think this is a miss. This will just mean more batteries will be manufactured. Most people will replace the device before the battery performance degrades.
Unless the battery is a universal/interchangable model this will increase waste as the manufacturer will have to make replacements available per model.
People will also perhaps then buy replacement batteries when handing down/selling devices, where they would have just have managed with degraded performance in the past.
Typically, replacement parts are only manufactured during the lifetime of the device. Because of that, I don’t think that the replacement batteries would contribute significantly to waste.
People will also perhaps then buy replacement batteries when handing down/selling devices, where they would have just have managed with degraded performance in the past.
How is this a win? My non-Android device is at 89% health after 5 years. I’m not going to replace the battery, I’m going to replace the device.
I’d prefer that we get paid $20 to recycle an old phone so that they actually get recycled.
Because you are an outlier when it comes to most people’s experience of battery life in their phones.
The recycling scheme is a good idea too, we should do both.
Reducing is just as important as recycling. And reducing the amount of people buying new phones because their battery dies is a win.
Also there are these well-used battery recycling boxes in plenty shops where I’m from. If people could remove their phone battery, they might still throw away their phone, as there’s not as obvious, easy and visible a recycling system for those yet, but perhaps some might at least take out the battery first and chuck it in the recycling bin next time they go to shop.
How is it a loss for you in any way? Just because the battery can be replaced more easily doesn’t mean you have to replace it if you’re at 89% after 5 years. I use my phone a lot and burn through batteries in 18-24 months. This shouldn’t have any effect on people who only have light usage like you but benefit the rest of us tremendously.
It’d be like only driving 1,000 miles a year and saying there’s no need to make oil changes easier to accomplish. Some of use have to change it orders of magnitude more frequently than you and would appreciate not having to disassemble the whole front of our cars to do it.
Replaceable battery means extra plastic,extra size, and reduced design parameters because the design has to be around the battery and it’s ability to be replaced using connectors. Look at what blackberry devices looked like. Battery and OS tech got a little better, but they used the same batteries for a long amount of time. I’m not saying that we’ll have blackberry devices again, I’m saying that things like connectors, latches, and the extra size of a battery that’s designed to be held all adds up to extra space being used.
My usage is probably above average. Probably closer to your average fediverse/redditor. I’m far from a “light user”.
That being said, your average user doesn’t burn through batteries like you do. Maybe you should be pressuring the market to build your phone instead of forcing everyone that has no need for a replaceable battery to put up with the deficiencies of that form factor?
One could say the same about a smartphone screen compared to ye oldern LED displays of yesteryear as well. If a physical feature takes up physical space… I think that’s fair.
My father, turning 70 in just over a week, have always complained about short battery life both in per charge and capacity degradation. I think it’s very individual, and considering replacement batteries used to be available in basically any tech store it seems there was a large marked for it.
Nah, I’ve replaces phones more often than I appreciate and I’ve looked for a reasonably priced, commonly available phone with replaceable batteries ever since I had a Galaxy S2, impossible to find.
So “pressuring the marked” doesn’t work when the entire industry is equally willing to fleece the consumer. How long was phones from major producers with replaceable batteries available after the first enclosed system was a hit among consumers? A few years and now it’s practically gone.
From my point of view, mindless consumerism from people only interested in the newest digital jewelry have ruined a valuable tool for me.
With the replaceable battery I could install custom batteries as well.
Best phone experience of my life due to the possibility to have a battery capacity that fit me. I bought that after the original battery was worn out, so it expanded the hardware lifespan as well.
Really? If you show me a phone with a non-replaceable battery that wont have it’s battery degrade with use, I’ll buy it and don’t complain about batteries no more. Since I’d have no reason to complain.
If you can’t, I would think you’re only considering your own needs and preferences as a universal standard and ask other people to do the same. Use your needs and preferences as a basis for what phone they should get.
And that would just be silly, no?
I guess what I’m getting at is that there are two valid opinions on this matter. On one side, people want to replace batteries, on the other, people don’t care about the battery.
The government is stepping in on the issue for some reason. This irks me. If there was a market for it, it would exist.
This isn’t about a monopoly or even a significant environmental impact like aerosol spray in the 80s, or leaded gas of the 70’s. Right to repair? Yeah I agree. Specific charge port? Hmm, I understand the argument but politicians shouldn’t decide it. Required replaceable batteries? Hold up, aren’t their bigger issues that need to be addressed?
And yeah your dad remembers when his phone would last two weeks on the dash of his truck that he parked it the sun every day. Those were different times, and he should know those phones still exist if he really wants it, but no one does.
Are you a mind reader since you can tell me what my father remembers?
Especially when my father told me stories from when mobile phones literally had a car battery installed and didn’t last 12 hours when disconnected from the car power.
Too spooky for me, I’m out. Thanks for the interaction, have a nice day.
Because not everyone has the same anecdotal experience as you?
I manage around 200+ mobile devices and battery life isn’t an issue that comes up.
So probably work devices that sit idle for 8+ hours a day before being shut back off and thrown into a backpack overnight/weekend?
I wish. Most are their primary device for work and personal use.
How old are those mobile devices?
iPhone XR for myself, and most are 11-13. We regularly have to replace older devices as they reach EOL/EOS.
@Brkdncr @Roman0 Why not both?
Easily replaceable for those who burn through capacity through heavy use. Which would also make recycling easier funny enough.
And pushing to make recycling encouraged. These aren’t opposing ideas.
Opposite boat. My perfectly good device gets replaced after about 4 years because it struggles to hold a charge. I don’t give a shit about iterative phone specs, and I say that as a tech enthusiast.
I agree, I think this is a miss. This will just mean more batteries will be manufactured. Most people will replace the device before the battery performance degrades.
Unless the battery is a universal/interchangable model this will increase waste as the manufacturer will have to make replacements available per model.
People will also perhaps then buy replacement batteries when handing down/selling devices, where they would have just have managed with degraded performance in the past.
Sounds good but I don’t know really.
Typically, replacement parts are only manufactured during the lifetime of the device. Because of that, I don’t think that the replacement batteries would contribute significantly to waste.
What’s the problem with this?